Constellation Session: Navigating Freedom in Partnership
Connecting almost 11 months after a remote Taoist stone medicine soul retrieval process
I’m back and joined by a community member, Kay! We're both excited to see where this conversation goes because we're connecting almost 11 months after we did a Taoist Stone Medicine Soul Retrieval process. We did that in January of 2025, and it is now December, 2025 just a bit shy of 12 months.
When we had that session, it was a remote process, but it was still a really deep process. We agreed when the time felt right to come on the podcast to unpack that and share, we would honor that. And then Kay went and had an epic year!
Kay is evidence of a deep reconnection into the body, mind, so that she can powerfully notice and be present. She's someone that's done a lot of somatic work. And while somatic work definitely helped, when our essence, our true self, our wise woman, is not really down and in sometimes somatic work can have diminishing returns for some.
We're recording just hours before the last full Moon of 2025. The full Moon in Gemini while we're in Sagittarius, which is limitless thinking and the ability to change your mind, so this all just feels divinely timed. (Although there’s never not a good time for a session!)
Kay’s intention for this session: liberation with romantic love with men…a final frontier in her path of liberation.
You’ll especially want to tune into this client session if you, too:
» desire more presence and awareness
» want to get clear on what you desire from partnership
» feel that you’ll have to give something up to welcome in a partner
» want a sense of freedom within a romantic partnership
» know it’s time to get really honest with yourself
Topics covered in this podcast episode:
Kay’s reflections on the journey from the Taoist stone medicine soul retrieval to now
What the Taoist stone medicine soul retrieval process is like
Why some people experience diminishing returns with somatic work
What other processes Kay moved through with Amy throughout 2025
Why—when you’re entangled—belief work, therapy, etc. just doesn’t cut it
The different types of resources that might come through
The process I move through with clients is fluid—there’s not one set structure for each client. I find the magic and the alchemy is in the moment.
I recommend that you reach out if you are thinking about working with me. I have the Women's Legacy Collective, which is my annual program in 2026. And I have many different ways of inviting people to journey with me—both short term and long term. I can feel that really attuned, intimate contact will be very helpful for many in 2026.
Thank you for joining us and being a part of this alchemical constellation journey!
To book your own constellation process, explore the Alchemical Constellation Gateway.
If you’re unsure where to begin, sign up for a free Consultation Call. And if this episode resonates, please leave a review on your favorite platform and share this episode with those who you think might benefit.
Until we meet again, I'm sending so much love from the Doeg land I steward.
Resources:
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The unedited podcast transcript for this episode of The Soulful Visionary Podcast follows
Amy Babish:
Have you ever felt like there's something more just waiting to be unlocked in your life? Like no matter how much you've accomplished, a deeper potential is calling. Welcome to the Soulful Visionary Podcast, where I guide you to align with your authentic self and create a life of purpose, love, and lasting impact. A life where you can truly soar beyond what your mind can comprehend. I'm your host, Amy Babish, a licensed psychotherapist and an expert in somatic coaching, feng shui, and wisdom traditions. With over 20 years of experience guiding thousands of clients through soul level transformation. Each week we'll dive into potent practices, live client sessions, and insightful conversations to help you dissolve intergenerational patterns and transcend your upper limits so that you can live the big life you are meant to live. Tune in and let's unlock your inner wisdom together.
Amy Babish:
Welcome to the Soulful Visionary Podcast. I'm your host, Amy Babish, and today I have a client and community member and welcome in Kay.
Kay:
Hi.
Amy Babish:
It's. You can't see us because I don't have a video component for the podcast, but we're like, waving each other and we're both kind of excited to see where this conversation goes because we're having k on almost.
Amy Babish:
11 months after we did a stone medicine soul retrieval process. And so we did that in January of 2025, and it is now almost 12 months. Like a little bit shy of 12 months. It is now December 2025. And when we did.
Amy Babish:
Was a remote process. So Kay was in her space and I was in my space. And it was a really deep process. And we both kind of just agreed, like, when the right time to come on the podcast to.
Amy Babish:
Unpack that and share that would come. And then Kay has had an epic year.
Amy Babish:
So, Kay, I don't know if you want to share anything about, you know, it's been 12 months, so I don't expect you to have, like, the exact details, but, like, any reflections on the journey from the Taoist stone medicine soul retrieval to now?
Kay:
Yeah, definitely. I think for me, the biggest thing that feels connected is, and I've been working on this for a while, like, being more embodied, like, being like, in my body. And I definitely feel, like, way more aware, like, present in my experience, living in my body, like, my emotions, my feelings, just, you know, listening to, like, the ebbs and flows, like, am I tired? Am I hungry? And just kind of going with that. Whereas before I was. It was a lot easier for me to just like, shut that off, you know, because I Was very disconnected. And I think the other thing is being willing to kind of like, ask for what I want, even if it seems insane, you know, just throwing it out there and seeing what sticks. And that served me really, really well. Just like, knowing what I want and what I desire and being willing to just ask the question.
Kay:
Yeah, I would say those are the two biggest changes I can see and that I feel. And I'm looking forward to seeing where this conversation goes.
Amy Babish:
So for those of you who are like, what is a Taoist? Stone retrieval. Soul retrieval. Sorry, Daoist. Stone soul retrieval. That's a mouthful for me. So I am trained as a Taoist stonalist. And many wisdom traditions have a way of helping the soul reconnect with the human or the body. And I can do this in person with actual physical stones, or I can do it remotely through a holographic process, which is like, basically what the military uses to do things remotely.
Amy Babish:
They took from the wisdom keepers of Taoism and other wisdom traditions. So the stones are the most. They're the oldest beings on Earth, and so they carry all the records. The record keepers especially, depending on, like, what part of the earth they come from. So stones that are created, like newer stones, like things that you might find in a creek bed, those might be, like, not as strong or durable, but then stones that come from kind of the heart of the world or the middle of the earth, those have been around and they have seen some things. So in Kay's process, we used a combination of all three kinds of stones. And the stones talk to each other and they work as a team, and then they talk with Kay's soul and Kay's human and Kay's systemic field of ancestors, of guides, of angels, of possibilities, of her intention of all those different things. And it is a.
Amy Babish:
Transcendental process. In other traditions, it would be called shamanic. I am not trained as a shaman, even though people throw those words around. So it is a transcendental, esoteric process that is. That moves a lot of energy, and it also basically opens a way for your soul to reconnect with you. And in different modalities, we would might say that we each have a soul group, and some. Some perspectives would say we have our own soul. So I'm not here to tell you what to believe.
Amy Babish:
And Kay is evidence of a deep, deep, deep reconnection into the body, mind, so that she. She can powerfully notice, powerfully be present. And she's someone that's done a lot of. Lot of somatic work. So the Somatic work definitely helped. But when our essence, our true self, our wise woman, is not really down and in sometimes somatic work can kind of have diminishing returns for some. Some people that are not connected to soul. So I don't know how that lands when I kind of give that more technical explanation.
Kay:
No, I. I understand that. Like, it makes sense to me.
Kay:
Yeah, it makes sense.
Amy Babish:
It lands. It lands. Lands. Yeah, it lands. And I would say that some of the other things we've done this year, I think your soul really being connected to you allowed some deep movements to happen in other. Other processes that we did. And it's your choice to share what you'd like to share about the other process or keep it to yourself. So we always work with privacy and consent, even on the podcast.
Amy Babish:
So.
Amy Babish:
I'll leave that one up to you.
Kay:
Yes. Yeah, I will talk about it. I think over this year, one of the processes that has helped me the most is kind of like setting up my ancestor altar and really, like, sitting with all my ancestors. I can't even remember how many generations we went back, but more specifically my male ancestors. I mean, I think it's always been very easy for me to think of, like, my maternal or, you know, the women in my ancestry, but. And then exclude all the men and forget, like, they don't. They exist. They're there, but.
Kay:
But really sitting with them and, like, really seeing and feeling like, what they have experienced. Um, it helped to heal a lot of the feelings I had around masculinity, patriarchy, and how, you know, that system can be very hurtful.
Kay:
Because I really could feel like, you know, they. They experienced some hardships too. Right.
Amy Babish:
They suffer too.
Kay:
Right, exactly.
Kay:
And so I would say that process has given me a level of empathy and understanding for men that I did not have before. So I would say that's probably of all the things, like, my ancestor alters, specifically the men that exist there.
Amy Babish:
And you're a mother of boys.
Kay:
Yes, exactly. Boys all around, so. Yes.
Amy Babish:
So forwards and backwards, you know.
Kay:
Exactly. Yes. It was a healing that needed to occur for me to kind of have a better understanding of my boys, because, I mean, I love them as their mother, but it's. It was still a disconnect in terms of them being male. It was harder for me. You know, it's still hard because they're energetic, but kind of understanding more. So what they like the system that they live in, you know, because sometimes it was hard for me to think, like, okay, well, you know, men live in the system that they benefit from and they just take all that, everything that they, that comes with it. But everything that comes with it is not positive.
Kay:
Right. It's. There's a lot of pain in it as well. And so just being able to navigate that as my boys get older and even now as they're younger, like society works its way in very early. So just kind of having a better understanding and empathy for that experience has gone a long way.
Amy Babish:
Thank you for sharing that.
Amy Babish:
So this, I think gives you and I a good context and good foundation for our deeper process today. And for the listeners who are like, how are we get, what was, where are we going today? So if you're a regular listener, you know, we always work with intention. So now we're going to invite Kay to share. What is your intention for the work today?
Kay:
Yes, I'm going to read it.
Kay:
So my intention is to work on getting very clear on what I desire from partnership. For me, it really feels like the last frontier on my journey to liberation.
Kay:
That is my intention. I love it.
Amy Babish:
I love it. And you know, we like to land the intention. So what would it, would you have a sense of clarity like in your body? What would it look like? How would we know where, where does that energy go when we, when we open it up?
Kay:
Let me think about that. Let me feel into it.
Kay:
No, the, the, the best way I can explain it is it feels like there is a block, like a wall, or maybe not even a wall, more like a door, right? That I am looking at that I'm just like, oh, you know, do I want to open it? You know what I mean? I know it can open. I know that it's possible. I know that what's on the other side is probably great, but I'm like, do I want to open it? And just having the clarity to say, okay, we can, let's crack the door open. You know, it's just a feeling of.
Kay:
Willingness to try.
Amy Babish:
And, and I, and I completely feel this and I know you really well, but for those listening, I think this is important to kind of just suss out. I don't have a sense that there's any fear there.
Kay:
No, it's not really like a fear. It's not a fear. It's more of a.
Kay:
A feel. And I feel like I've worked on a lot of my stuff in terms of like what I've seen and the patterns that have existed in my story and you know, those around me. It's. And it's not like a self worth kind of thing. It's one of those kinds of things. It's just a feeling of making the space.
Kay:
Like, I really enjoy my life the way it is right now. It is. I don't feel lonely, you know, I. There's a lot of joy. I have amazing friendships and family, and it feels very full in the best way. And so it's like, yeah, probably some space.
Amy Babish:
So it's. It's like the clarity of how would.
Amy Babish:
How would my life maybe even rearrange or how could my life grow versus, like a deductive. Like, there's only 100% space, and I love the 100 of it right now.
Amy Babish:
If there's something else there, I can feel that, like, energetic.
Amy Babish:
Pattern of like, this is. This is all. This is all that can fit in here. Like, this. This is. This is great. And I love it. So I don't want to.
Amy Babish:
I want. I don't want to mix up this mix, because if I have to let something else in, something else has to go. It feels like that kind of like almost. It doesn't feel as tight as a double bind, but it feels like.
Amy Babish:
It'S gonna be a new pattern, a new container, almost.
Kay:
Yes, I. That's probably the best way to explain it. I mean, I think I've. It's more of like a.
Kay:
Finite thinking, like you said. Like, okay, I have everything. Everything fits right now, but thinking of it more as like an expansion, like an opportunity to, like, expand. And I don't even want to say make space because that seems like just fit it in. Right? Just allow it.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And you know, when you're talking about, this is the last frontier of your liberation.
Amy Babish:
Like, liberation is limitless.
Kay:
Yeah, exactly. And I feel like that's what I've learned in all the other aspects of my life. But in this one, I'm like, is this. Can this also be that way? Right, Right.
Amy Babish:
So. So I'm going to tune in.
Amy Babish:
This is an entanglement. I wasn't sure if it was before we talked, because I did get Kay's intention before, you know, when she scheduled. So it wasn't even clear to me until now. So something has been shifting. We're recording on hours before the last full moon of 2025. The full moon in Gemini while we're in Sagittarius, which is like kind of like limitless thinking. Like, hey, I can change my mind. Things can change.
Amy Babish:
So I feel like this is like a. When you scheduled for today? I was so excited. It's like this is the perfect cosmic support for this conversation. It's Amazing. And for those of you listening, there's never. Not a right time, but just the divine timing of Kay's intention and the cosmic support. Like, it all feels very, very aligned and very related. Okay, so our next space, our next step is to do a tunein.
Amy Babish:
So we're going to ask your systemic field to take us to the context, an image, sound sensation of what this is related to for you. It.
Kay:
Go for it. Yeah, I feel. Yeah, that was good. I. When I think about, like, what it's related to, I. It feels very much like how I've, like, lived my life historically before, like, my journey through, like, liberation in the feeling. Like, having this feeling, like.
Kay:
Freedom is not possible in general. Right. So I feel like I've learned very much how to be. Like, I freed myself from a lot of things that have, you know, impacted my life, work, you know, family and all that stuff. But I. I feel like when I think of relationship and partnership, I don't know what it means to be free in that space. You know, I. I know I can be free on my own because you are literally free.
Kay:
But in partnership, like, in relationship, how do you maintain that sense of freedom, that sense of liberation? And it feels like the last frontier because it's like, I can't. It's hard for me to envision.
Kay:
Being free in that space. So I think that's kind of why I pushed it off. Because I've gotten to a place where I feel very liberated. I feel very open and, like, you know, expansive and ready to tackle the world. But then I'm like, relationships, romantic ones, are inherently.
Kay:
You know, the togetherness of it makes it hard to be free at the same time.
Amy Babish:
And for those of you, you know, you can't see Kay's hands, but she's bringing her hands, like, clasped together. Like, it's togetherness. Like, I can feel it. Like, it's like, whoa. Like, am I wringing my hands? And then it's like, it's. And then she puts them apart and she's like, it's hard to be free. So even that gesture feels like something related to. To the.
Amy Babish:
To the field.
Amy Babish:
Would you like to know what I. What I got?
Kay:
Yes. Okay.
Amy Babish:
So it was interesting. I got two different songs, and.
Amy Babish:
Now they're only giving me, really one.
Amy Babish:
The lyric is, don't run away from it. Be who you are. And it keeps on repeating. And then the other one, which came first, but they wouldn't even let me say it first, is, this one's gonna make you laugh. I have Everything I need.
Amy Babish:
And it's like talking about the mountains and the trees and like I have everything and what I. When I was like, what does this really mean for her?
Amy Babish:
What I got about the second song and particular, particularly first and then in conjunction with. With, you know, it's kind of like a back and forth between the two songs was this is definitely part of your soul's journey that navigating freedom and relationship is. Is like one of your deepest.
Amy Babish:
One of your deepest souls longing. Like you.
Amy Babish:
It's like your soul is proud of you and your systemic field is proud of you for all the hard work you've done. And it's like, this is, this is the advanced training that you're. Like, I talked about freedom and this is, this is really important to me and I'm.
Amy Babish:
I'm willing to risk all of the freedom I have worked hard for to find an even deeper freedom.
Kay:
A deeper freedom. Wowza.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Like, I can feel it in my heart. It's like case soul is very, very old. Very, very old. Like ancient. And I can feel just like kind of like an arriving of.
Amy Babish:
You know, kind of the Empress or sovereign energy of like.
Amy Babish:
It'S not even about, like, do you need to be partnered or not? But knowing that you have, as you said in your intention, like, the clarity.
Amy Babish:
And choice to willingly open the door and also say, like, okay, I see some wonderful choices here and no, thank you. Like, it's not, it's not going to be an avoidance and it's not going to be like a puzzle anymore. It'll be like, just like with everything else in your life, you get to choose around work. You get to choose your own family interactions. Choose with friendship. Like, you have such.
Amy Babish:
Like, not just flexibility, but like.
Amy Babish:
Like it's, it's like so expansive with the. The options are limitless and all those other parts of your life and you feel so good about it.
Amy Babish:
It's like this. Even though it's one small part, it feels like when they showed me is like, it might be like 10% of your actual liberation, but it's going to open up beyond 100% liberation.
Kay:
Yes. Yes. I feel like the whole. The withholding is creating kind of like a block. Yeah. And that's what I want to get rid of. So I can kind of just like you said, whether I choose to or not, choose to let it unfold. But the withholding is creating like, it's like a clinging to a very old way of thinking for me.
Kay:
And this is like the last thing I need to Let go of. So I can like fully journey to the other side.
Amy Babish:
Yes, yes. Like through it, like.
Amy Babish:
Okay, so as you know from our constellation process, we're going to first bring present your mom behind your left shoulder. And you're going to ask her does she carry this pattern of romantic partnership is not a free place.
Amy Babish:
Oh yeah, yeah, Without a doubt, without a doubt. But we're just, we just kind of like check our work. It's like a check and balances. And now you're going to bring your dad behind your right shoulder and asking his essence, his soul, does he also carry that too?
Kay:
No, I don't, I don't feel it there.
Amy Babish:
I don't feel it with your dad, but I do feel it in that line. So you might just like call down the line and ask, are there any among you that feel this?
Kay:
I feel like it's there, but maybe further back.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, I feel it's further back.
Kay:
Yeah, I don't feel like it's, you know, one generation, two generations. I feel it may be further back than that. I feel like the last few closer. On my dad's side, I feel like they're, I mean, maybe not in a positive way, but they have figured out how to make it work for them so they feel liberated.
Amy Babish:
They've done some mind gymnastics.
Amy Babish:
The story I'm telling is this is great.
Kay:
Exactly. But yeah, I feel it of back, back, back. Yes, it feels there, but not as present day.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, I feel for sure it's really big. Eight generations back and it's even a, it's even a man eight generations back, like he's raising his hand. So I think it's important.
Amy Babish:
For those ancestors to ignore, like for us to acknowledge them that.
Amy Babish:
We kind of knew it was going to be on your mom's, with your mom and on your mom's side, but also on their side on your paternal side.
Amy Babish:
So when, when we have the entanglement on both sides, we're going to now go to a second tune in and ask your soul what this is about. What's the context of it? What's the lifetime? What's the.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
So tell me about your second tune in.
Kay:
I think, well, one, I got like a vision and it's like me floating in space, like just free flowing, like, you know, no wings or anything, just light. Right. And then when I tried to go, tried to go deeper, what I got is it has, it's not about romantic relationships, but it's more about like choice. Right? It's about choosing.
Kay:
That's what I Got choosing what? I don't know, but it's about choosing.
Amy Babish:
So I. Would you like to know what I got?
Kay:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So I got that in ancient times in Egypt, you were someone that could do this. You could travel. Like, your soul knew how to not just be in the astral plane, but go beyond the astral plane to the cosmic realms and beyond. So you had the freedom to have a human body, but, like, you had the free choice to dance among the stars and among whatever. Whatever your belief system is at that time. I don't. Not.
Amy Babish:
Not privy to that, but I can really feel like, your essence. Like it's like Dancing with Stars. Like.
Amy Babish:
It'S very playful and joyful and like, also like, deeply contemplative. So it wasn't just like, joy. It's just like, I am one with the universe.
Amy Babish:
And then you would just, like, come into the souls, the soul came back into the body.
Amy Babish:
And.
Amy Babish:
Kayind of what I got was that.
Amy Babish:
This was like.
Amy Babish:
Accepted way of being.
Amy Babish:
So you weren't like a yogi and seated meditation, but you just weren't like. Like, I, for the most part, I feel like you weren't bothered. However you did that, like, it wasn't just at night. So it's like.
Amy Babish:
The, The. The ancient woman that you were, you just would. They're showing me, like, this beautiful. Like.
Amy Babish:
It'S not a bed, but it's like a stone tablet kind of table and just kind of have your hands there. And you don't look dead, but you look like you're at peace and like you are not to be disturbed in your process.
Amy Babish:
And you're really beautifully dressed and you have attendance. So this feels like it was like, almost like a service too. It was for you, but it was something you were doing both for the Earth, for humans, and up with the Stars.
Amy Babish:
So I don't know how that lands.
Kay:
It sounds beautiful.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And now that you have kind of come through.
Amy Babish:
You know, you've done so many years of really hard work, but I feel like this year, 2025, you have reaped the benefits and, like, ways that if, when I first met you, if I would have told you this is where you're headed, you would have been.
Amy Babish:
This lady is with. For the Birds.
Kay:
Right. I didn't even know I wanted this right at that point. But, you know, life. Life will throw you some curveballs. But.
Amy Babish:
So I feel like in the majority of your life, you are living your 2025 version of this now.
Amy Babish:
It might not, like, look like nuts and bolts the same there's no beautiful crystal stone tablet for you to lay on, but you have your version of it, and you're being, like, honored and celebrated and seen as that, like, archetypal woman.
Amy Babish:
By yourself, by your friends. Your boys don't have the words for that, but I feel they like that. Like, my mom is amazing.
Kay:
Sometimes I think, yeah, it feels very much, like.
Kay:
Peaceful. Like, I feel like, oh, this is the person I've always, you know, I've. I. I wouldn't say long to be, but didn't even know. Maybe, maybe a longing kind of like deeper inside. And being here, it's like, oh, this feels so good, you know, it feels true to myself. Like, I feel like, rooted in that, but also free. Like, I feel all that.
Kay:
But then when I think about, like.
Kay:
Including someone else in the. In, in the romantic way, in like a partnership way, that's when it starts to crack for me. Like, oh, yeah.
Amy Babish:
So we're gonna ask you to connect with if you might, because you got. We. We get like puzzle pieces when we do the tune ins. So you might connect with this ethereal energy that is your soul from your tune in. Or you might ask the ethereal energy to come into this ancient Egyptian woman that I saw. So you're both, you're both. You're all. And we can ask.
Amy Babish:
You can ask her, you know, I'm Kay. I'm from the year 2025, and I would like your help with this.
Kay:
Okay.
Kay:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
What'd you get?
Kay:
Yeah, so I did. I decided, let's sit down and have a chat. And what I got was very simple. And I was like, can you explain? That's it. That's all I have for you. And it's. I need to use my voice and say, like, what is. What I.
Kay:
What is really there? Like, I'm not. I haven't been honest with myself. Like, I need to.
Kay:
Say the difficult things to say around this.
Kay:
And that.
Amy Babish:
That lands, I feel in my heart.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. What do you notice?
Kay:
I'm starting to feel a little bit like, maybe a little teary because I'm like, okay, well, that's raw.
Amy Babish:
That's deep.
Kay:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Kay:
I was expecting, like, oh, give me a hug. And, you know, she's like, you told.
Amy Babish:
Me you wanted the big stuff, so I came for a reason.
Kay:
Let's, let's.
Amy Babish:
Let's get down to it.
Kay:
Tell me I'm doing a great job. But it was very much like, no, you need to be honest. You need to say what you need to say. So. Okay, well, a little. You Kaynow, tough love is okay too.
Kay:
Yeah. But now when I. When I hear that, I'm like, oh, I don't feel ready. Like, I don't feel.
Kay:
Ready to, you know, be honest with myself. It feels very vulnerable to. To go there. But, I mean, this is what my intention is. So I have to do the hard things.
Amy Babish:
So. So what I'm getting k is that this is part of. This is actually part of the entanglement.
Amy Babish:
And so you might ask her, were you not in this past life that we shared together.
Amy Babish:
Were you not honest when you came back into the body?
Kay:
Okay. And the response is yes. And then I don't want you to do the same thing. So.
Kay:
Okay. I mean, not what I was hoping for, but.
Amy Babish:
What were you hoping for?
Kay:
You know, you're hoping when you. When you go to like your ancient self, sometimes you just want them to say, like, oh, you know, I'm so proud of you. You're doing everything amazing and we're on the right track. Right.
Kay:
Sometimes the conversation doesn't go that way. It's more honest and raw, which is what I'm looking for. But it's. It's not always what you want to hear, what you need to hear, but it's not always what you want to hear. So, yeah, from what I got, it's. I need to say to be honest with myself and say the truth out loud. And her response to that question was, yes, I was not honest. And I was not.
Kay:
I did not do it, did not feel comfortable here. And I don't want you to make the same mistakes.
Amy Babish:
So, yes, so we can let her know that part of this process can also free her.
Kay:
Okay. And she says she is ready to be free.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So it would help us to know.
Amy Babish:
What was the context of her death.
Kay:
So all I'm getting, maybe not clarity, is one was falling and a broken heart. Those are two things.
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
I'm getting that it was a romantic betrayal.
Amy Babish:
She wasn't. She wasn't murdered, but it was a romantic betrayal and it led to. It feels like it led to her not being present and she.
Amy Babish:
Fell from a cliff. It's too dramatic, but it feels like something like she took a. Like a massive. I think this one might be a metaphor, like a massive misstep that led to her death.
Amy Babish:
So I just want to make sure that the facts seem very important for this past life self. So I just want to clarify.
Kay:
Tune in again.
Kay:
Okay. What I got was kind of what you said, a misunderstanding of some sorts.
Kay:
Where she didn't say and do what was true in her heart. And then from there, like you said, a misstep. Like some kind of, like, not thinking clearly, which led to, like, an accident of some sort.
Kay:
Yes. Which could have been avoided. Yeah. If.
Kay:
She would have been willing to say.
Kay:
What was in her heart.
Kay:
Instead of just being upset. That's what I got.
Amy Babish:
Oh, and do you. Do you resonate with that experience?
Kay:
I do.
Amy Babish:
So you can tell. You don't have to tell our listeners, but if you want to have a conversation to be like, I really. I am living out your. Your lived experience with men.
Kay:
Yes. She says, yes, you are. I want you to do it differently and be honest and say what it is you need to say.
Amy Babish:
So I. I'm getting that she is. She's kind of giving me a nuance of it. It's like holding a grudge and, like, digging her heels in.
Amy Babish:
Because she was one powerful lady.
Amy Babish:
And.
Kay:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
It's like she had confusion about, like, how to. How to resolve conflict or how to resolve, like, having her feelings hurt. With men, she. She had it in spades and other places, but with men, she just was like, it threw her for a loop.
Kay:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
What's making you laugh?
Kay:
Because it feels very.
Kay:
It's. It's interesting when I close my eyes and, like, have this conversation, we're holding hands, like, tightly, and, like, it's like you're doing the exact same things. And I'm like, okay, I get it.
Amy Babish:
And for those people listening, Kayknows about constellations. Like, when we have an entanglement, when we say that we're loyal to this person's lived experience, it's not just like, I am living out their path. My life force is going back to, like, like fuel or resource, that ancestor, that past life self. And so I am not free to choose differently. Like, so you're not free. Like, this is why you. You are. You are.
Amy Babish:
It's not conscious enough, but you are aware that you are so free in other places. And it just feels like, I don't really want to do that. No, thanks.
Amy Babish:
It's not because of, like, this is so important for listeners who have tried to do belief work about things or go to therapy or check their body. Like, when you have an entanglement.
Amy Babish:
Nothing'S gonna work. Like, we can't just choose to do it differently. It's literally like a rubber band or a boomerang or, like, it's a cord. And it's not about cord cutting. So I don't know if you can speak to that Kay of like, how Much. You're like, whoa, it is apples for apples right now in this entanglement.
Kay:
Yes. It feels like, okay, I get it. I'm doing the same thing. But telling me that is not helpful. So let's try a different way to get us both.
Kay:
Over or through this place. Because I. I hear you.
Amy Babish:
Right?
Amy Babish:
But it right now she's in the seat of like the coach or the therapist or the best friend or the guide. Like, there's no amount of telling you that's gonna free the two of you.
Kay:
Right? That's how it feels.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So it's like I'm just. I can feel her holding, like, I love you, girl. We got this. You're amazing. And we are stuck in this together.
Kay:
That is exactly how it feels. She's like, just change. Do it.
Amy Babish:
Just do it for me, for us. And, and so for those of you listening, this is what it's like sometimes an actual partnership.
Amy Babish:
We look at our partner. Like, can't you just do it differently? I love you. Like, the sex is great. You know, we co parent great. Like all these different things. And then you're like, but this thing, it haunts me. And we can't do it differently really. So that is oftentimes when you know there's an entanglement place.
Amy Babish:
This is another way of talking about that. So what I'm getting as we go deeper into the entanglement is that the first resource that is being requested is a receiving resource.
Amy Babish:
So it feels like something about like I get a lot of energy when I say that.
Amy Babish:
Something about receiving.
Amy Babish:
What I'm hearing is like, right. Relationship with.
Amy Babish:
Repair with men.
Amy Babish:
And so she might have the resource, you might have the resource, the field might give the resource. But it's a resource that's literally going to give.
Amy Babish:
Both of your operating systems epigenetically a transmission or a upgrade. Do you have a sense what that might be?
Kay:
Feel into it.
Kay:
So what I'm getting is like.
Amy Babish:
Something.
Kay:
Around like vulnerability and like being willing to be seen. Kayind of.
Kay:
The ability to.
Kay:
Allow someone else to see us.
Kay:
Like opening our eyes to how we are seen and then allowing others to see us. That's what I'm getting.
Amy Babish:
That feels right on. And let me see what the resource might be.
Amy Babish:
So I'm get getting. It's a goddess that wants to come in.
Amy Babish:
And I'm getting that it's the goddess Sekhmet.
Amy Babish:
Does that resonate with both of you?
Kay:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
Okay, so she's.
Amy Babish:
Give a transmission. And it might. She might. She can do it however she likes. Color, vibration, sound. She can give it to you both differently, however you both need it. So she can come in and do that now.
Amy Babish:
And what. How was that for both of you or all three of you?
Kay:
Yeah. What I got was like, we, remember I told you we were holding our hands very tightly. We let go one hand. We were holding hands with this goddess on each side and holding each other's hands. It was like a circle and then it was like a warm red lights and then kind of like flowing through. And then we kind of like held each other's hand so we know, like, okay, we're supported here. And it felt very warm. And just like.
Kay:
It'S like a warm feeling. Not hot, but like a warmth. Like when you're under a really nice clothes, cozy blankets.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And. And for those who are like, who is the goddess Sekhmet? She is the goddess of healing.
Amy Babish:
War and destruction. And she has. The sun is part of her essence. So the warmth and the red just feel just like right on brand for her. So that's beautiful. That's amazing. Okay, let's see if there's another resource.
Amy Babish:
The second resource is going to be activating. So it feels like we're activating.
Amy Babish:
The willingness.
Amy Babish:
Like a deeper part of, like you. You now have the willingness to be seen and allowing others to see you. But this is like the willingness to take the next step.
Amy Babish:
To open the door, to open the sub doors, to close the doors. How does that feel? Is the. The essence of the resource?
Kay:
That felt right. Like when you said.
Kay:
You said something about taking the next step. When I. We were holding hands, I felt like the resource was coming through our feet. So I was like, yes. I was like, okay, it's coming to our feet. Okay, that makes sense to me. So it felt like more of a blue, not cold, but like a blue energy coming through our feet, you know, making us feel strong.
Kay:
So we're still holding hands. Not as tight and clenched, but just kind of like have a support there and then a blue energy just coming through our feet. Yeah, I feel it all good.
Amy Babish:
I feel it in my shins. I feel it up to my knees. And I love. You know, from an alchemical perspective, we have like, fire is the red and blue is water. So we're getting a balance of like yin and yang. We're getting a balance of masculine and feminine. So it feels like they're kind of weaving in a lot of different layers that are. We don't have to consciously name, but just a kind of presence for those listening.
Amy Babish:
How, how wise Each person's systemic field is like, it's not k doing it. It's not me doing it. It's the field doing it on her behalf and the behalf of this past life self. What do you notice in your past life self? Like, does she look any different yet?
Amy Babish:
The hands feel different. I.
Kay:
She's smiling now.
Kay:
Yes. And kind of like the tightness in her face kind of like that. You know, it's not a scowl, but kind of like it has softened.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Kay:
Her shoulders are more relaxed.
Kay:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
She's kind of arriving a bit more.
Kay:
Yes. And she's not like you can. I can tell that she's breathing more deeply. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So it feels like we still need one more resource at least.
Amy Babish:
This one is dissolving or alchemizing. And so.
Amy Babish:
This one feels like.
Amy Babish:
For both of you, but you're really living out her lived experience. It feels like a dissolving of the calcified heart or like the walls around the heart because of heartbreak with men, disappointment.
Amy Babish:
Feeling wronged, feeling betrayed, feeling like.
Amy Babish:
Like no matter what I do, I'll be disappointed by a man. Let me know if that resonates for both of you.
Kay:
Yes, that resonates. I definitely felt it in my heart and in my throat, which is usually where I feel all my stuff when it starts to react very much like in my throat, so. Speaks to the idea that there are things left unsaid. So kind of clearing that out. I can definitely feel that for myself.
Amy Babish:
Yep.
Amy Babish:
And what I'm getting is it's. It's just the systemic field is going to do it. So it feels like both the cosmos and earth are really collaborating for both of you. And it's a re. An alchemical resource from the beyond. The beyond. So it doesn't even have like a shape or form. It's just knows how to help.
Amy Babish:
Like a ancient wisdom.
Amy Babish:
Benevolent wholeness.
Kay:
Yeah, I feel that. And we've been whole. Like I've been holding. We've been holding hands this whole time. And when that resource came in, we kind of let our hands go and took a step back and let that kind of be between us to kind of healing, which felt good. It felt like, okay, maybe we can.
Kay:
Let this go. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Is there anything she wants to say to you or bless you with or.
Amy Babish:
Offer to you?
Kay:
Yes. What I got was she put her hands on my heart and said she wanted to give me the gift of understanding. I don't know how to unpack that, but I'm. That means I'll take it and I'm sure eventually it'll make sense to me. I'm like, understanding what. Just don't ask questions.
Amy Babish:
Don't. Don't bother me with details. Like, I gave you a big gift. Be grateful.
Amy Babish:
I get that. It's gonna, it's gonna like unravel in your aware. Your conscious awareness. It's in your unconscious awareness 100%. It's in your systemic field 100%, but it's going to come to your conscious awareness.
Amy Babish:
Don't laugh at this one, but after the retreat.
Amy Babish:
So something about the retreat is going to have a further activating.
Amy Babish:
Component for you with this. It's like a. I see like a dovetail, like a beautiful wooden joint of like the, the unconscious systemic understanding is there. And then something that's. It's going to come together. So instead of it being class hands, it's like it just fits together.
Amy Babish:
Like perfectly for you.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So that, that feels important. And it feels like you'll be like at 95 to 98% at that point.
Amy Babish:
And at that point you'll be like, oh, I really get it. And so the last 2%, when you get it, it's gonna be like, oh, that was very nice.
Amy Babish:
I didn't know I needed that. That's great. It's gonna feel very, like, just like. Okay.
Amy Babish:
I'm also getting. And this, I just. This is something new that's coming in. I get that. She also wants to be a guide for you. You can ask her because it's. It has to be agreed on both sides.
Kay:
Okay.
Kay:
He said yes, but I need to be willing to listen.
Amy Babish:
Mic drop.
Kay:
Okay, I will. I'm learning how.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. And you might put her on your forward movement altar.
Kay:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
For her. Because then, you know, it's like with each guy, they have their own way of communicating. And like, sometimes when I work with people's guides, like, it feels like they're taking, like, not in a hurtful way, but like a baking, like a cooking baking sheet. Like, I've been banging her over the head. I've been like, getting her, and she's like, are you talking to me? So, you know, the guides think they're being really obvious, but sometimes we have to like, really fine tune, like, this is how you two work together.
Kay:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
So spending time with her on the altar, she can be like, oh, you can take me off the altar now. Like, I want to speak with you in the bath. Like, she seems like she's going to want some very specific things.
Kay:
Yes, for sure. Like, I'm going to Tell you, but it's going to be quiet. You got to really listen.
Amy Babish:
You got to really be down and in. Is there anything else you want to say to her before we do our next process?
Kay:
Okay.
Kay:
Yeah. I just said thank you, you know, for.
Kay:
Being there with me.
Kay:
Positively.
Kay:
Thank you for being there. I understand our relationship and just be patient with me as I. As we, you know, build this bond.
Amy Babish:
Yes, yes. And it also feels like this is a parallel process for romantic experiences for you moving forward.
Kay:
Yes, yes.
Amy Babish:
We're clarifying, like, oh, I thought you liked it like that. I don't like it like that. Oh, you don't like it like that? Okay, how do you like it? Like, it feels like whenever you do choose to experience romantic partnership, your man is going to be, like, so.
Amy Babish:
Earthbound. Like, he's going to be like, okay, I'm here, and it's going to feel like a boom. I can feel it. And you're going to be like, okay, I got to settle myself.
Amy Babish:
It'll be a lot of fun, too. But, like, it feels like he's gonna have a different frequency that she, you know, they're not the same frequency, but it feels like she really commands your respect. She respects you. And she's like, are we really going to be present to really share the goods?
Kay:
Yes. That's what I'm getting. It's like, are we, like, let's. Let's take this slow. We just missed.
Amy Babish:
And I feel like there's more than one man. But if you choose, it's not. It's not obligatory. If you choose the archetype of the man that you're welcoming.
Amy Babish:
Experiences with or adventures with.
Amy Babish:
Or moonlit walks with. That was said by the field.
Amy Babish:
That he. They are, like, low and slow.
Kay:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
He is a very grown man. They are very grown men. They're not boys.
Amy Babish:
So I think that that was important for the field to share.
Amy Babish:
So now we're going to go into you talking with her and thanking her and asking her to give the. The shared soul fractal back so she will give you back another piece of your soul.
Kay:
Okay. Okay.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
So how does she feel? How do you feel?
Kay:
I think we both feel, like.
Kay:
Thankful. Like, okay, this is like, we've been waiting for this to happen. Like, yes.
Kay:
Thank you so much for finally meeting me here and having this conversation and doing this work. I've kind of like a. I've. I've been waiting for you. That kind of a feeling.
Amy Babish:
So you can let her know, in your own terms how you will use this Replenished life force, soul energy around this last frontier of liberation for you.
Kay:
And so, yeah, it's. This has been such a good process.
Kay:
So I told her, like, I'm. I thanked her for giving it back and that I would use it to expand and grow my ability to hold.
Kay:
Freedom in all areas of my life. She said, that is what I want for you and for me too.
Amy Babish:
And as you were talking with her, I was looking out my window, and you know that I live in the woods. I just saw this beautiful hawk, like, majestic hawk, and it flew really close, and just so. It was soaring. So I could feel she, like, she wants to support you soaring, both in the cosmos and I also. She showed me, like.
Amy Babish:
When you're ready to open the door, she's like, right there with you, and it will be. She's like, it can be fun. She's, like, very clear about, like, it doesn't have to be so serious. Like, I am serious when I need to be serious. She's raising her pointer finger. Like, I. I can be serious, but she's like, I'm a lot of fun, too.
Kay:
So I can sense that.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. She's like, after you really get me, I'll let other layers come through, which also feels like another layer for partnership or romantic. Romantic.
Amy Babish:
I don't think that's a word, but that's what it feels like.
Amy Babish:
Okay, so we will.
Amy Babish:
Say goodbye to her for now, and she can hang out with us, but we're going to transition to the next. The next part of our conversation.
Kay:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So.
Amy Babish:
Anything else you want to share? Any questions you have, anything you want to name before we close out our episode today?
Kay:
Like I said at the beginning, I didn't know where this was going.
Kay:
But I'm very thankful. Like, it. It feels. I feel a lot more. I'm not gonna say free. That's not the right word, but I feel more awareness about, you know, where this is all coming from and where, you know, I'm going and how to continue to work through this.
Kay:
Yeah, it feels like a really, really good first step. Like a. A huge step forward. I feel less stuck.
Kay:
It feels like, okay, there's room here. I feel.
Amy Babish:
I feel the room, and I feel a lot of willingness. Like, your willingness to understand it, your willingness to say the things, your willingness to get the support from her. You know, it's like. It feels.
Amy Babish:
Like more whole. Like, it's not just like, oh, I'm at the. I'm at the. The wall and the doors. I'm like, no, thanks, it feels like there's a lot of. There's not as much pressure around. Like, I see the door, I see them avoiding it.
Amy Babish:
Okay. I'm not sure what to do. Like, it just feels like very, very spacious. Very spacious.
Kay:
It does. And I feel like one of the biggest takeaways is I've been kind of stuck in terms of my forward movement al.
Kay:
How to use it and where I want to go with it. And this is. This is definitely clarified for me. Like, okay, how to set it up and, you know, how to use it, at least for right now.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I would put an object on there around.
Amy Babish:
Her gift of understanding.
Amy Babish:
And I would put an object on for the ability to go into your heart and name the things that have. And stuff down.
Kay:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
So that. And then a resource, like, she's a resource. She's on there, but a resource to, like, help with the vulnerability.
Kay:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
And so you might put Segment on there. It's not necessary, but you can ask Segment if she wants to be on there.
Amy Babish:
But it feels like a lot. Just like, it feels like it was maybe sparse before, but now like a lot. Just like these are a few things that I'm meaning. It feels like a lot of things are like, put me on, put me on, add me. So that feels really, really amazing.
Amy Babish:
So for those people that have been listening, like, what are they doing? The way that I facilitate work is. It's not about the modality. It's really about tuning into. In. In today's session, Kay's field, Kay's intention and listening to what.
Amy Babish:
What the layers are. And I never have an agenda. I don't know. I didn't know we were headed either. I'm like, I saw the intention and I don't. I don't go beyond.
Amy Babish:
The realms of what I'm supposed to. Supposed to. Like, really having the interfacing is quite important. I do do remote sessions where I don't see people directly, but for most, the most. Most clients that see me, like, an interactive space is really helpful for both of us. And, and Kay's session, you can hear, like, I do a lot of different things and everybody's experience is quite different. So I don't have like a. Oh, first we do the Dallas stone medicine soul retrieval, and then we do.
Amy Babish:
Retreat. And like, it's. It's not cookie cutter. It's really attuned to what each person needs. And I think Kay's journey, you know, since January has really demonstrated a lot of layers of how she's been weaving Years of work before we work directly together, all the things that she's journeyed with this year, and then it led her to today's session. So sometimes I can imagine that listeners are like, how do I get what Kayhas? Like, how do I get this liberation that she's talked about, even for men? Or you might be someone who's like, I just have thrown everything at my issue with men and the needle doesn't move. And I really recommend that you reach out if you are thinking about working with me. I have the Women's Legacy Collective, which is my annual program in 2026.
Amy Babish:
It's a 13 woman cohort and I have seven spaces open. I have many different ways of inviting people to journey with me, short term and long term. And I can feel that really attuned intimate contact will be very helpful for many in 2026. So I really encourage you to reach out. To those of you who have been with Kay and I today, thank you for joining with us. Thank you to Kay. Thank you to her past life self. Thank you to Sekhmet.
Amy Babish:
Thank you to the cosmos and the earth and Kay systemic field. Her ancestors. And it goes without saying, but your ancestors that want to receive the resources that we did today, you can go back to the ancestral altar and say, anybody that wants to receive any of the receiving, activating or dissolving resources, they are able to choose. So it's not like a one size fits all.
Amy Babish:
So that is also available. And I'm just so grateful for your trust, for your willingness to come on the podcast and anything else you want to share before we close out.
Kay:
No, I just want to thank you.
Kay:
Yeah, I didn't. I'm. I'm very, very thankful for how this went today. I don't. I don't even know how else to express that. I just, I feel like I'm walking into the day a new. So thank you.
Amy Babish:
You're welcome. And I can see it, like, you have just this beautiful smile. Like your whole face lit up and your heart feels so warm and full. Like, I can feel, it's like, whoa. It's like, feels really good. It's like really supported. And what we say in, you know, many Taoist practices, like, this is the heart is the queen's seat, and in other practices, other wisdom traditions, it's the seat of the soul. And I can feel like you really took more of your seat with getting that soul fractal back and this whole.
Amy Babish:
This whole experience. So thank you, thank you, thank you. And to those listening sending you blessings from the doeg land that I steward outside of Washington D.C. if this episode resonates, please leave me a review on your platform your your preferred platform or please share it with those you think that it would resonate with and tune into some other episodes until we see each other other again. Sending you blessings. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Amy Babish:
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