You Paid a High Price to Forget Who You Are So I Can Remember Who I Am
One way I do constellation work differently is that we can go into a past life and do a soul retrieval.
There have been a few sessions recently where a past life entanglement has presented—and it’s happening again.
Leigh and I have known each other since high school! I’m so excited to have her on the podcast today.
At the start of this session, we weren’t sure if these complicated things she was entangled with would be in her blood lineage or soul lineage.
When that happens, there’s a multi-step process I take clients through so we can determine the best way to approach the entanglement.
You’ll especially want to tune into this client session if you, too:
» feel like your financial abundance doesn’t match other areas of your life
» don’t want to feel emotionally drained at the end of the day
» struggle with an unworthiness to not be doing all the time
» have a deep desire to help heal the world
» want to grow your own business
**TW: This conversation includes specific mentions of rape, incest, & enslavement. If you choose to listen, take gentle care.
Topics covered in this podcast episode:
What needs to be named when doing intention work
How constellation work can be supportive when calling in financial abundance
What information Amy needs you to share with her vs what can remain private
How to do a tune-in and what information you’ll receive
What it means when client sessions are interrupted in BIG ways
What a “report” in constellation work consists of
How Amy’s approach to constellation work is quite unique
If all entangled souls know that they’re dead
What can be done if the entangled soul or souls don’t name a helpful resource
Why the flow of life force energy can only go one way
How likely it is to get messages prior to a constellation work session
If the healing only goes backwards in the lineage or if it goes forwards too
What to know about expansion and contraction with integrating this work
The 3 Tarot card story Amy pulled before the session
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The unedited podcast transcript for this episode of The Soulful Visionary Podcast follows
Amy Babish:
Have you ever felt like there's something more just waiting to be unlocked in your life? Like no matter how much you've accomplished, a deeper potential is calling. Welcome to the Soulful Visionary podcast, where I guide you to align with your authentic self and create a life of purpose, love, and lasting impact. A life where you can truly soar beyond what your mind can comprehend. I'm your host, Amy Babish, a licensed psychotherapist and an expert in somatic coaching, feng shui, and wisdom traditions. With over 20 years of experience guiding thousands of clients through soul level transformation. Each week we'll dive into potent practices, live client sessions, and insightful conversations to help you dissolve intergenerational patterns and transcend your upper limits so that you can live the big life you're meant to live. Tune in and let's unlock your inner wisdom together. Welcome to the Soulful Visionary podcast.
Amy Babish:
I'm your host, Amy Babish, and today we have another friend and acquaintance, but reconnecting through all of the years, guest Leigh. So Leigh and I know each other from high school and we've reconnected through Facebook, and I'm so excited for Leigh to be here today. So welcome in Leigh.
Leigh :
Thank you. Yes, very exciting and I'm very interested in the work that you do and a little bit nervous, but very excited about how this is going to go and what I can gain out of it. So thank you for the work that you do, first and foremost. And I'm grateful that we did, in fact, reconnect.
Amy Babish:
Me too. Me too. Yeah, so we just. We just had a little bit of a pre. Pre talk about. I said we might refine your intention a little bit, and she's like, you know, sometimes I. I come to even therapy with like, attack mode and like, I'm ready to do it. And then sometimes it's hard to put things into words.
Amy Babish:
And I think that's 100 perfect for this process because there are people of all flavors who come to work with me with everything in between around intention. And I think this is a really great starting place for our conversation in the process.
Leigh :
Yeah, absolutely. Because, you know, there are several things at this stage in my life that I feel. I mean, like, I kind of live in a space of generally having gratitude for a lot anyway. That's a natural state of being for me. And I know the things that I'm very grateful for. I know the things that I feel like, you know, I'm not quite sure that I could even consider or ask for much more in certain aspects of life. And then there are just a couple where it just feels stagnant, it feels like it's not moving forward. Certainly not at the speed I would like in my own impatient self and emotionally and energetically.
Leigh :
I deeply believe that. Not that we have any conscious intention to hold those things back, but there's obviously the potential that something is hanging in there, deep seated subconscious conversations and thought patterns and energetic states. And as you and I discussed a little bit beforehand, you know, potentially familial or DNA, ancestral, whatever, you know. So yeah, I know that there are a few areas that I'm, I'm really looking for some more forward movement.
Amy Babish:
And would you be able to share in your own words where you want the forward movement?
Leigh :
Yeah, you know, I have so much abundance in some areas and not the, I feel like, I don't know, match the actual financial abundance in the same way as I do in other areas of my life. I have an enormous amount of like family and love and relationship and friendship abundance. And the, the financial abundance does not match that for me vibrationally or energetically. And you know, tied to that in some respect is, you know, job and career. I have day job that I don't hate. It doesn't suck my soul, but it's also not my, it's not my soul's purpose, it's not my life purpose. And you know, I mean the ultimate, ultimate goal would be to find some level of stable financial abundance. At the very least, this or something better that is coming through the process of what I feel like I have finally in my 40s figured out is my life purpose.
Leigh :
I know, right? Because you're supposed to know that at 18. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
You know, our brains are still developing For a long time.
Leigh :
For a long time.
Leigh :
For a long time.
Amy Babish:
Can you say in your own words what your purpose is?
Leigh :
It started as a joke many years ago where I would say I'm just a girl who wants to heal the world. No, I, I feel like my purpose is very much tied to the energy healing work that I do. I do psychic mediumship, I do animal communication and I, the emotions are already going to roll because it feels so deep for that, for me that I just want to leave as many people feeling better after having come, had contact with me as humanly possible. I just, it's a con, it's like a, you know, beauty contest. World peace. No, but I do, I just, I want to be able to help with the world on fire and try to try to put some of those fires out one person at a Time.
Amy Babish:
So yeah, I can feel that deep. I feel it deeply. Yeah. In me.
Leigh :
I think you're. You get me, right?
Amy Babish:
Yeah, I get you. And I can feel in the systemic field and yeah, I feel, I feel that. And so when you talk about when I do intention work, we have the intention part which is also includes what gets in the way. So you already need their stagnation. And what, what else do you feel like when you go to receive money for this or like try to step away or build from your primary career? Tell me what that means for you.
Leigh :
Well, my primary career is. I feel personally that it's a mismatch in workload and expectations as compared to the finances that I receive for that workload. So that is one thing first and foremost. Now there are even within that there are abundances in there that I appreciate. I appreciate that I do work remotely. I appreciate that I do have some flexibility to my schedule and that I'm salaried so that flexibility does not impact my finances. I'm grateful for, you know, a reasonable amount of autonomy and that even in that position I mentor other new people on our team. So I like even in that respect helping others, you know, do better, feel better all day.
Leigh :
But it is definitely an energetic mismatch for the amount of stress and strain and the, the time of, of work compared to the finances. With that, it also is a stress and strain on my energy just living. So, you know, it would be wonderful to have a job where I didn't feel like I couldn't make it through the evening energetically and emot without stepping away to very purposefully go meditate so that I can try to clear and reground myself. I always say kind of like turn the volume down on how big everything is and how loud it is. And so that also then, then creates the space where adding in energy, healing or reading clients outside of work hours, either, either in the evenings or on the weekends. I don't want that to feel like that's a hardship on my energy or on my time schedule because it's the, you know, the precious few hours that I get with family and quiet and settle and rest and all of that. So I don't ever want to end up in a situation where I feel resentful that I have to, quote unquote, have to have a client now because that's what I want to be doing with my time. So I, I do sometimes struggle with price point on my services, but I also very, very intentionally try to make my services as available to as Many people as possible, because I think far too frequently that is not the case when people really, really need it and they look at a price point and say, I can hardly put food in my pantry.
Leigh :
How am I supposed to help myself in that way? So I try to remain very flexible, and right now I feel comfortable with that. So that does not feel like a limiting factor for me at this stage.
Amy Babish:
Okay. In terms, this is very helpful because I'm getting a picture because you just said I really want to be having clients. So, yes, if you really, if we could work through whatever this is about, what would you really want?
Leigh :
I. So in. In my perfect world, in my vision, I see myself not having a separate job for the purpose of financial stability and benefits and so forth. You know, the benefits I could make up for if I had the financial stability outside of the day job. So see myself, you know, waking up within reason in the morning where I feel refreshed and I don't feel rushed, and my. My kids have finally all graduated school, so I know I just had the last one last month. So. So having that, you know, time, freedom in the morning to have a little quiet time, a little meditation and reflection, and then be able to see the number of clients that I feel comfortable seeing, to be able to be sure that I'm giving them the energy and the attention that they want.
Leigh :
That could be three, four, or five, depending on what type of service it day. And, and, and really just having that consistently enough that it not only makes up for, but also, you know, flows over compared to the finances that I get from my current day job. So in replacement of. And then some.
Amy Babish:
Okay, and do you, do you know the number? You don't have to share that. It could be private. But do you know the number?
Leigh :
I have calculated a hundred thousand different ways have at least a number range. Like to me. Yeah, to me, in order to not do this and have this instead, I need at least this much to this much.
Amy Babish:
Yes. So you're clear on that. So you can. Yes, as long as you have been clear with you, it will be in the systemic field when we do the work.
Leigh :
Yay. Okay.
Amy Babish:
You know, you know, even if this was a private, A private session, I don't need that. But also because it's on a. It's on blast on a podcast.
Leigh :
Those things we don't necessarily talk about in public.
Amy Babish:
Some people do talk about those things. But that, yeah, to me, that doesn't make or break the process. So. Sure. Just to, you know, for people listening, even if we were In a private session. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say. Leigh, we can't move forward unless you have the number.
Leigh :
Like right? Yeah.
Amy Babish:
You're clear on the numbers, you're clear on the range. That's enough. Okay, so we're going to move into the next step because now we have what you're clear on, like what you really want and then what's been in the way and what's been your experience. Okay. So the next step is to do a tune in. And so when we do the tunein, it's like going onto a radio dial, like 101.3. Yeah. And we're going to ask the energy of your systemic field to give you and I some, some data, some information, some, some images, some sounds.
Amy Babish:
However you get your information is perfect. And we're asking them what is this about? So what is, what is the entanglement about? And it might be a metaphor, but it's going to be the, the first layer. And when we go in, you'll get them. I always invite the guests to share. If you want me to share what I get to, I can, but it's not required. It's really up to you. And then we'll go from there.
Leigh :
Okay, so I'm looking for basically what Anything and everything that comes up right now when I'm diving into the. The why.
Amy Babish:
So it's, it might not be a why, it might just be like sometimes it feels like for some clients it feels like it's different experience, like different scenes, different nuggets. Yes. People get like a full on boom, boom, boom. Yeah. I just had one with a client where we knew each other in a training program in 2021 and we're in 2025 and she was like, oh my gosh. The first time I did this training program, I got an image of this forest that is in my constellation.
Leigh :
Ah, gotcha.
Amy Babish:
So it might be. I have a sense your field is so rich and so deeply. It might be like I have full body chills. Like it's going to be something like, oh, I know what this is.
Leigh :
Well, when you were speaking I was already kind of like hearing something and feeling some spots in my body light up. So now it's probably at least the starting point.
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Leigh :
I definitely was feeling my stomach clenching.
Amy Babish:
Yep.
Leigh :
And was getting like a worthiness come up and also let me kind of like get back into what that was that how it came out? It was, ah, that's really interesting of all the things. So I, I even talk about this with my kids so much, especially my daughter because she is a huge self starter and very difficult on herself even when we don't do it to her. And I'm always telling her like everybody is worthy of rest and don't wait until your 40s to recognize that you're worthy of rest. Please learn how to do it now. And I. So I feel like it's somewhat related where right now it's coming up that not exactly a worthiness of rest, but an unworthiness to not be running all the time. I don't know how that kind of twisted itself around, but it's almost the. You're just supposed to be running and doing all the time.
Leigh :
And I consciously know that I'm not.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
But apparently there is some sort of deep something that's still tracking because that just came out and that's a surprise.
Amy Babish:
So we'll see.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
That's like you're getting. You're getting things right away. And we'll go a little bit deeper because I feel like that's. I feel like it's going to be so potent for you. So we'll just keep on. We'll tune in a little bit more and if your field doesn't have anything else I respect.
Leigh :
Yeah. And I was going to say if you're receiving things too, I'm totally open to hearing what you have.
Amy Babish:
I'm going to go on and close my eyes because I was so. I was so attuned to what you and your speech, according to me. Yeah. But I didn't do my own. I didn't tune in on my own. So I'm going to go in and.
Leigh :
Yeah, absolutely.
Amy Babish:
Whenever you're ready. If you have anything else. Yes, please go ahead and then I'll. Go ahead.
Leigh :
I was just gonna say I felt your energy move in and it felt so lovely. It was like. It was like I could feel the buzzing like around me, not even just in me. That was lovely.
Amy Babish:
I'm very gentle. Very gentle.
Leigh :
You were very gentle. It was just a very gentle humming. Buzzing. It was lovely. Yes.
Amy Babish:
Did you. Did you rece things you noticed.
Leigh :
Outside of that?
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
The only other thing I can say, and I think it's just that I think it's a combination of. It was coming up earlier and I didn't notice it when we first started talking and now I'm feeling it come back in. So I think it was coming up earlier in preparation for. This is just the throat chakra. Just feeling very. I know I've been experiencing asthma because the Canadian Wildfires were affecting us the last few days, but we have good air quality today. And I am, like, coughing and wheezing, but I feel at this point that it's more of an energetic block than it is physical. And so it's showing back up now.
Leigh :
So there's something related to that expression. Something rather.
Leigh :
Yeah. Okay.
Amy Babish:
I feel that your field has given us a lot of. It's a beautiful, like, scatter plot. So I'll share if you'd like me to share. I can share what I. I'd be happy.
Leigh :
Yes.
Amy Babish:
I felt like I was with your soul in some place in the cosmos. Like, we were. We were on outer bands of someplace. I don't know where it was. And then I was like, anything else you'd like to share? And I just asked your field, and then I heard John Mayer singing Free Falling.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
Then I. I felt like I was a version of you or whoever you're entangled with on a swing set. And it was, like, in some kind of adult swing set, so. Or an adult swinging. And so my. I could really feel. In my, like, from my knees down, I could feel, like, this sense of a lot of gravity. And then I was seeing all these, like, scenes that felt like either California or Italy.
Amy Babish:
And I know that's not your blood lineage in this lifetime, but I was feeling that. And then I felt like I was someone who was pregnant, and it felt like I was. I was with. With an ancestor who just wants to be free. Okay.
Leigh :
So.
Amy Babish:
And I don't know if it's blood or soul yet, but that's. I got a lot.
Leigh :
Right.
Amy Babish:
I got a montage.
Leigh :
Yeah. And I feel like even, you know, consciously from some prior experiences that I've had, I feel like I can probably almost immediately connect to at least a little bit, but some of the others, I'm. To see where that takes us.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yes. Okay. So our next step is we're going to do our kind of, like, our checks and balance work. So we're going to invite you to have contact with your mom first. Okay. And then your dad second. So in the way that I. My lineage of doing this, we always bring the mom behind the left shoulder.
Amy Babish:
And you're going to ask your mom, do you carry this entanglement that, like, no matter what, what you do, you feel like you have to keep running, that you have to do, do, do, that the work that you do is not commensurately paid and that you're not able to really live your purpose.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Leigh :
I already know the answer.
Amy Babish:
Yes, yes. What's the answer?
Leigh :
The answer would be yes. Yeah. And I don't know how much you do or do not want me to share why I would mean it.
Amy Babish:
What does it feel meaningful for you?
Leigh :
Just my, my dad was a very present father when he was able to be physically present. But he made an incredibly comfortable living for us doing really hard work and traveled a lot. So it was kind of left to my mom being a stay at home mom, who was a great stay at home mom. My parents, thankfully are very wonderful, wonderful, wonderful people. I am beyond grateful for the parents that I have. That being said, nobody's perfect and that's understood, you know, so my mom had to do all of the, everything for home all of the time with no pay, of course. So. And even now my dad has Parkinson's and slow progressing Alzheimer's.
Leigh :
So it is again left in a circumstance where he's not fully present to be able to do and share. He was lucky enough to retire at 58 and a half. So we did get a good number of years before all of that started to show up, which many people, people don't get to experience. So another level of gratitude. But it is left to my mom having to pretty much manage everything. So.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
And, and her mother, her dad, my dad, my mom's dad passed away when she was 27. So my mom's mom had to work the job and maintain the kids and, you know, be around for the grandkids and be around for the family. So even that sounds like it's probably showing up there too in some way.
Amy Babish:
Yes. We're going to just check with your dad. So it's like, okay, we're going to ask him did he feel like he always had to be running, like he always had to work. And even though he was paid well, he might have felt like, I'm still not being paid what I should be paid for, for the amount of work I'm doing and the amount of travel I'm doing. And then. Yeah. So ask him, do you carry this entitlement? Okay.
Leigh :
I feel like for him it's coming up with a slight variation.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Leigh :
Where it was, it was more that expectations were placed on him and it's kind of showing up like a, like a two faced sort of situation. It was that parents imparted deep expectations on him because of his abilities and his capabilities and his intelligence and so forth, and to him directly in a way that it was never enough. But then they would turn around and tell other people, look at my son, he's so great.
Leigh :
He's so wonderful.
Leigh :
Look at all the things he does. So it was like, that's. That's how it's coming up. That's the, the feeling that it has when it's coming up for him.
Amy Babish:
Okay, and I just want to check with you at work, at your, your day job, does that play out for you at work at all? That your employer feels like you're so skilled. And then it's.
Leigh :
So.
Amy Babish:
I know I'm clear that your parents did not do that to you. Okay, so for those of you who are waiting there with bated breath, right when I started to ask Leigh about, you know, does this happen to you at work at all? Like, and then I literally said, I know your parents didn't do this to you. I know your parents didn't do this to you. And so then Leigh's screen froze. And I first, I thought you were in a very meditative space. Like, you just couldn't hear me because that can happen, too. And then she sent me a message. She said, the power went out.
Amy Babish:
And I said, the end. I said, the energy is really big. And then Leigh said, the ancestors are probably pissed. And so this is really, this is really important because, you know, when the field is really strong, I have had many things where they will pull everything possible to not do this work. And so we're in the right. We're in the right zone. And it's really important because, you know, your lineage is. Everyone's lineage is very deep.
Amy Babish:
And this is not the ancestors first rodeo of doing ancestral work. It might be the first time Leigh and I are doing this together. And, you know, I can say this with the utmost humility that people have been shamed and people have been made bad and wrong. And, you know, as a, as a former trauma therapist, we didn't get here because they're bad people. We got here because there's a lot of trauma and more and genocide and racism and all kinds of things that are caused by confusion. And so it's really important because you don't know me and your ancestors don't know me. I'm not going to shame them. I'm not going to blame them.
Amy Babish:
And there will be no, like, I can hear, feel someone being like, please don't point the finger. And so finger pointing is what got here in the first place. And, yeah, so it's really just important to just say that they're hurting and you, you're not hurting, but you're stuck. And it's really frustrating to you. And this Is the place of, like, this is the. This is the place of. We can't, we really can't move forward without their consent. And so we're kind of asking, right, are they willing to let you do this with me? Yeah.
Leigh :
Let me end it here?
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. And.
Leigh :
Yeah, that brings up emotions. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And, you know, we don't even know yet because of the question. Right. We just paused on May in fact not even be your blood lineage. So I'm kind of waiting. I'm waiting with the listeners with bated breath.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Does this play out at work where they have expectations and then it's not that, like, you're being told at work it's never enough. Like, perform more, do more, take on more mentees. Like it's a different version. It's not. It doesn't have to be apples for apples. Like what your dad experienced from his parents.
Leigh :
Sure.
Amy Babish:
That he's being prized and then also shamed and belittle. Are you experiencing a version of that at work?
Leigh :
Yes. And, you know, it's kind of funny because I almost want to even give a caveat of, like, I don't think it's purposeful, which isn't the point. The point is that if it's happening, it's happening. Right. You know, like, give everybody the benefit of the doubt. Be nice. But I most certainly would say that I experience mansplaining.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
I experience as a one woman being told to calm down when I actually am already entirely, completely calm. And I experience being told things like, you know, when I'm asking for some compassion and empathy for difficult personal moments that, you know, I'm working through this, I will get. I am getting the work done. You know that it's not. Not getting done and being told. But would you say that to a client or a broker? You know, things where there's the lack of just basic human decency and understanding at the same time as being told. You mostly answered that. Right.
Leigh :
But you could have said this or I do have yet one more client that I'm going to give to you because you're the one on my team I can count on to take it. You're the most senior member. You're mentoring three other people. You're, you know, things of that nature. Like, I know that I can count on you and you'll get the work done and you'll do it well and you'll build trusting relationships with these people. And so I'm going to go ahead. It's, you know, it's like punishment for Good performance.
Amy Babish:
Oh, yes.
Leigh :
I'm very, so very familiar with those respects. Yes.
Leigh :
So you're so great.
Leigh :
Let me overload you so that you slack, you know?
Amy Babish:
Right.
Leigh :
Yeah, right.
Amy Babish:
Like you can handle it.
Leigh :
Right.
Amy Babish:
So here's the interesting thing, because this is showing up when you spoke about, like we call it the report in constellation work. You're bringing a report to me from the ancestral field, from the systemic field. And so your report included both of these kind of entanglements. And so this is where I'm a little bit different than a regular constellator. We're going to handle all of it. This is the part that gets fascinating where someone with a more traditional constellation background might just say, oh, it really feels like we should work with your mom first. The way that I do it differently is that we're going to go into a past life. Okay.
Amy Babish:
And so the way it will work is we're going to do another tune in, and we're going to ask your soul to take us to the past life where this started for you. And we call that a soul fractal. And so we're going to do a soul retrieval. And whenever we get that sorted, whatever that looks like, we'll take the resolution, the gifts, the medicine, the aha. Whatever we want to call it, and then we're going to come back and revisit your parents.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
And the. And the maternal. And maternal lines. So ancestors, you know, take the sweat off your brows. We're not going to come heavy and hard for you for this layer. It's. It's just. It's.
Amy Babish:
I really believe that there are so many solutions available that if we would have gone and picked your mom or your dad, it would have felt, like, meaningful, but it would not have felt deeply resolved. And then there would have been some, like, jealousy or questioning, and we just don't have to do it like that. There doesn't have to be a she. She preferred this over that. We don't have to do it like that. So. Right. How does that feel?
Leigh :
That sounds great.
Amy Babish:
I'm.
Leigh :
I'm all for it.
Amy Babish:
Okay, so we're going to retune in, and it'll be similar to the first tune in, and we'll just see what. We'll see what comes. Sam. Okay. Well, yeah.
Leigh :
That was about the last thing I ever would have expected. I actually felt my throat get so tight, and I saw an image basically shackled like a collar around. Like a metal collar around my throat and dirty rag clothes and kind of being forced labor and my Stomach hurts so bad. Like, I was so hungry. It's like deeply, like, badly clenched. Like, I'm so, so hungry. And yeah, I. There isn't a chance I would have expected to see something like that.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So I feel like we might be in, again, two different parts of this. Of the field.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
What I. What I heard, we both are music people. The field. Sometimes when I'm with music people, they speak to me in music. So they gave me the song Calm Down.
Leigh :
Ah, okay.
Amy Babish:
And so I thought, are we. Where are we? And it was just like the song was like the. The information that I got was that it was a man telling a woman to calm down. And my body became, like, very dignified. So I felt like it's a. There's a class issue involved where I don't know if. I don't know if I'm someone who has a servant that they've enslaved or if I know about this and my. My partner's doing this, my husband's doing it, or my family does this.
Amy Babish:
I don't know that. But I felt a confrontation between a husband and a wife. And when you started speaking, I felt like, this is our. This is our family secret. This is our dirty business. And so I feel. Did you get a time period at all? I. I feel it like 18 or 1900s.
Leigh :
I was thinking in 18. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 18. Ish. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So these are. These are again, like, these can be snapshots. It can be a montage. So what we're going to do next is that you're going to kind of. We're going to go in and you're going to ask the person that you're with. You're going to ask them, do they know if they're dead? And you can explain that you're from the year 2025.
Leigh :
Oh, okay.
Leigh :
They do. They do.
Leigh :
They immediately said, yes, thank God. And they actually said, I don't ever want to reincarnate again. Oh.
Amy Babish:
Oh. So.
Leigh :
Which even kind of. Even kind of makes me question the way I see things. That's interesting.
Amy Babish:
So you can explain to them that you share part of the same soul, and that part of your soul is stuck in the afterlife with them because of the trauma they experienced in that lifetime.
Leigh :
There's like, sadness and fear and disbelief, but also like, almost like a joking. Like, you can take it if you want it.
Leigh :
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leigh :
But like, like a general sense of distrust.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can ask them. Sometimes people on the other side can hear me, and sometimes they can't. Hear me? You can ask. Okay.
Leigh :
Yeah, she can.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So she. You can say that she can hear me. So I'll speak directly to her that I am someone who works with systemic pain and injustice and we're not going to change history. We're not going to. We can't change what happened and that she deserves some. Some relief to die in peace. And so there's going to be a process.
Leigh :
I felt a huge, like, pressure with warmth in my heart, and then my stomach has just now finally released that clench from feeling hungry.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you could. You can ask her to explain the context of what she had to endure while she was alive.
Leigh :
Yeah, I think I was getting little. Excuse me, Flashes of that even while we were talking that. I feel like she's basically trying to express that she was in fact part of the family, but, like, unwanted in some way. I'm not getting clear if she was, you know, like a bastard child type of situation or, you know, with whether there was like a, you know, infidelity and that's how she came to be or if it was just that she was not the any further, you know, child wanted. And therefore from a young. Because where she's presenting to me, I would say she's probably like, barely out of the teen years, if at all. And so it's feeling like from the time where she was old enough to try to have her be responsible for, like, doing the grunt work that she became, that she was housed with the other servants, but almost in worse conditions. It was just dirty clothes, dirty face and hair, you know, ratty coming out of, like, being pulled back and just treated subhuman.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
You can, you can explain to her, like, it. It's really important for. For us to understand who her mom and who her dad was and she won't get in trouble.
Leigh :
It feels like it. It doesn't feel very high society, but like, I guess how you'd want to almost kind of say like, middle to upper middle class in our terms, just well established, well known, well respected. Looked at as that in a community. It feels like there was land owned, you know, stone, like modeled stone kind of structures. And I almost want to say like, in the, in the best language that we would understand, kind of like local business.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
Like. Like the father was like the owner of local business and the mother was, you know, kind of like respected in the community. And like, she might be the one who like, puts on tea for the. The ladies kind of scenario, you know.
Amy Babish:
Okay. And do. Does she know where we are? Like, can she tell us what country we're in or what area we're in?
Leigh :
It definitely feels, like European to me. It feels. Trying to zero in on it feels middle European to me. Maybe even, like, moving down into, like, lower France or. I. I can't quite pinpoint, but it feels middle European for me. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And ask her if she was ever. If she ever tried to ask for help.
Leigh :
Yes, once, when she was 8. And she was deeply reprimanded, and she never did it again. In fact, they made her go without food for a long period of time. She did get. She did get physically assaulted, abused for it. She actually had some of the servants try to come to her aid after her father had left to try to help, like, heal her wounds and things.
Amy Babish:
And ask who did she try and ask for help from?
Leigh :
Okay, she's showing me a family who came to visit them at their home, but was like, a business associate to the father, who. And they had a little boy close to her age, and she wanted to play with a little boy, and the parents would not allow her. And she kind of, like, the boy snuck out, and she started trying to tell him a little bit. He was asking questions like, why are you so dirty? Why are you out here instead of in there? And she started to tell him a little bit. So then he went and tried to, like, she's showing me, like, tugging on his dad's jacket. And. And when. When he as kind of like the innocence of a young child, not really understanding, just sort of chugged on his dad's jacket and was like, hey, that girl's out there.
Leigh :
And why is she out there?
Leigh :
She.
Leigh :
She said she's really hungry, and she wants to come in and take a bath. And. And once they left was when her father came.
Amy Babish:
Okay, so ask her if there's anything it can. It could be from her imagination or something that she really wanted help from that she just couldn't have. Ask her if there's some kind of resource that we can invite in right now so that she can feel it's not gonna be a full resolution, but that she can feel safe.
Leigh :
Okay. I don't know if this completely fits, but while you were talking, it was almost like I was in her point of view and I was looking in like it was. It was like dusk outside. So it was looking inside a window where you could see inside really well because it was well lit in there, and it looked warm and it looked comfortable, and that she could see people sitting around the table eating what looked like. Like a super Stew of some sort or something and breaking pieces of bread and scooping the stew with the bread and everything. And she was just thinking, like, I want more than anything to be in there, to be warm and comfortable and having like that warm meal, because all they got were like, like scraps and like stale bread and things.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So if it feels okay for her, she can invite you into that space with her and you guys can start to have a meal.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
I want to make sure that her nervous system, that her body, even though she's in the afterlife, that she gets some support.
Leigh :
I don't know why this would come up, but she did say that it was okay for me to come in with her. And it almost looks like what you'd consider like a modern day charcuterie board, but it was like slices of meat and cheese and bread and. And like vegetables and like tiny little cherry tomatoes. Like, you know, and the two of us like sitting down to. To feast on that together.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So she can eat this and she can be taken care. How old is she at this point?
Leigh :
It feels like 20ish. Like around 20. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And so it's important that this is not enough for her and that I know that, and I think you probably know that too. Yeah. So we're going to invite her biological parents in, and they can be at a distance and there can be a boundary around them, and you can speak to them directly and they may or may not be able to hear me. So we're going to ask them if they know they're dead.
Leigh :
Yes, they do. But the mother seems more willing to kind of like openly speak than the father at the moment.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So you can again explain to them that you're from the year 2025 and you're in America and you're here with me. We're in different parts of America.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
We're here to do some unfinished business with them. Okay.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So you can explain to them. We're not gonna. We're not going to shame them. We need to understand what was the. What was the context that they would enslave their own child.
Leigh :
So it feel. It feels like it was. It was a product of infidelity and it was actually their oldest daughter.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah.
Leigh :
He impregnated their oldest daughter.
Amy Babish:
I felt. I felt.
Leigh :
That's uncomfortable.
Amy Babish:
I felt incense. Incest.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Leigh :
You?
Leigh :
Yeah. I just wanted to wait. I did not until.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, that's why I did not know just now.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So who are her mom and dad? And she might have been told that that was her mom and dad.
Leigh :
And I believe that she was.
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Leigh :
Because there is something about her that while she's presenting 20, and I believe she's 20 or very close to. There's something about her that feel. That feels very childlike still. Because she did not have the experience of, like, learning to grow.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
Mature.
Leigh :
Appropriately or being.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Like, parented.
Leigh :
Yes.
Leigh :
Right.
Amy Babish:
So we're gonna also invite in the daughter that he raped. Okay. And so we're gonna ask her, does she know she's dead? And explaining, you know, you're from 2025.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
You're getting the hang of this, Nelly, get.
Leigh :
I'm getting it, I'm getting it. Yeah. There's a pattern here. Yeah. She's hesitant, but she's here.
Amy Babish:
Does she know she's dead?
Leigh :
She does.
Amy Babish:
Okay, so we're gonna ask this. The older daughter, the daughter mother, did she try and ask for help around being raped by her dad?
Leigh :
No, she did not. She was terrified.
Amy Babish:
And did the mom. Does she believe that her mom knew that that was happening?
Leigh :
It's showing up. Like the mom originally did not. The daughter who was assaulted doesn't know exactly when the moment figured it out because it almost. It's actually showing up. Like, the mom also initially thought that she was impregnated by somebody else, and then sometime through the pregnancy itself figured it out.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So is there anything coming up for the mom in terms of, like, an apology or taking responsibility or acknowledging anything?
Leigh :
She's actually showing me one time. One time, the mother came in. She was in bed. The mother was basically kind of like petting her hair, moving her hair off of her face while she was laying in bed feeling very sad and very scared. And the mother offered, like, the briefest moment of compassion. And otherwise it was kind of like. Like, stiff upper lip, hold your chest high. We have to.
Leigh :
We have a facade to carry out, you know?
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. That they chose money over safety.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Leigh :
And it wasn't even money so much. It was like. What's the word I'm looking for? Just the. The perception.
Leigh :
Yes.
Leigh :
The appearance. The perception from those that they knew was more about that even than the money for them. Okay, I gotta chill on that. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yep. Okay. So I have a sense that this runs deep in this lineage. And so we are going to. We're going to go to the root.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
So we're going to ask those blood lineages, where does this belong? How far back? And is it on the maternal line or the paternal line?
Leigh :
It's coming up first that it's on the maternal line.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Leigh :
Right now the, I'm only getting as far as that wife, mother, okay. That, that she had actually been assaulted by her father.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Leigh :
But, but I'm not getting, at least at this point, I'm not getting it further back than her.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So we're going to bring in, I'm trying to, I'm trying to discern where we should, what resource needs to come in. Okay. So you can ask both the mother, mother, daughter, like mother, hyphen daughter and the product that. Okay, product of incest daughter. Ask both the daughters what is a resource that would like it might not have been around when they were living, but something that they know that could help them feel free and dissolve their shame.
Leigh :
I'm sorry, what was that?
Amy Babish:
And unworthiness.
Leigh :
Okay. The first that was coming in was, the first that was coming in was acceptance, just general acceptance of them and basically not they have somehow carried whether they're not right now giving me whether or not this was said or projected at them, but they were carrying it as if they were being looked at as the ones to blame. Like it was, that it was their fault. Right. So the first thing I heard was acceptance. The second was admission that it was not us to blame. Like we were not to blame for the scenario.
Amy Babish:
So, so we're going to ask them is there like it could be something in nature, it could be something spiritual, it could be something religious. Like we're looking for something that could come and have, you know, a back and forth with the parents.
Leigh :
Let me say this first and see if I can get it out of the way if there's anything else because right now it's literally just, it's literally just them having like a four person embrace, especially the father. They're very much looking for the father to kind of embrace them to as like an energetic apology for what transpired and what he, you know, obviously his responsibility in it.
Amy Babish:
And what, what happens with the father.
Leigh :
He, he's definitely softened. He doesn't look like he has a stick up his ass anymore.
Leigh :
Right.
Amy Babish:
See.
Leigh :
I, I, I see him, I see both parents and him especially with a willingness to engage in that embrace and to offer apology and to offer. It's like now I'm the only one sitting outside looking in the window with them all around the table, eating with that orange glow of the light.
Amy Babish:
Okay. And you can ask the parents what is their source for understanding family and boundaries and love and shame?
Leigh :
The source for understanding family kind of initially came up as like we had to figure it out as we went because we did not have a source. We. We were our only source. And it feels like that's kind of where the, you know, abuse and then further shame kind of came from because they obviously quite drastically misstepped and did not. Did not do that as a family should. So they're kind of. It's almost like they. They don't realize in their living years that they were trying to break the cycles that were before them, but they just created a whole new flood instead.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So we, you and I, are going to ask the systemic field of this blood lineage to bring in a resource to help them transmute this because they don't have the solution within the four of them. Confusion about, like, how people perceive people being a business owner, not having anybody to lean back onto, never enoughness.
Leigh :
I have no idea if this is where we're supposed to be going or not, but I'm being presented with almost like an elder of the town that the father actually did look up to.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
And feeling like it's actually warming up my heart, like, a lot right now. And like, asking to bring him in to kind of sit down and talk about, like, this. This is how this should be. This is how family is supposed to operate. This is what we do, you know, for and with our children. And so, I mean, like, he's noticeably older, you know, like gray hair and a beard and like a very, just like gentle old soul gentleman. Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
And ask, ask that older gentleman if he can also explain about, like, the confusion around appearances and, and, and like, being a business owner and like, stature and making money.
Leigh :
His first thing was integrity. Speaking from the point of, you know, living from a place of integrity, first and foremost will already create the stature and the, and the appearance that you want because you're always doing the very best thing for everyone involved in that space. So you don't have to have like a facade of the, the appearance and the stature and trying to always chase it. It feels like they were always chasing it and always feeling like they were running from behind to keep it, keep it up. So he, you know, the first thing he said was integrity. If you're working from a place of integrity, it's already there.
Amy Babish:
So you can tell all of them in this lifetime, I have been loyal to your chasing and running and trying to make it everything with integrity possible. How did I not know you were.
Leigh :
Going to go there? Yeah, Like, I didn't even realize that's.
Leigh :
Where we were going.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can, you can share that, like I've been trying to make every single person I. I meet feel better because I've been loyal to all the mistreatment of your daughters because no one made it better for us, for them.
Leigh :
Good. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And what happens when you share that with them?
Leigh :
It started out with them actually trying to apologize to me for creating a lineage where I felt like I had to continue doing that, and then me saying, you know, thank you for the apology, but I don't necessarily need the apology. I just need us to just heal this and move forward without having to carry that burden any longer. So the apology is accepted. The apology is wonderful. But. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, you can say I. I did this out of my love and devotion because I never wanted this to happen any. To anyone ever again.
Leigh :
Yeah. It kind of looks a little more like a Hallmark Christmas movie in there now.
Amy Babish:
Oh, yeah.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So does it feel like everybody is sorted?
Leigh :
Yeah, it feels so much softer.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah.
Leigh :
It feels like. Like everybody took the boards out of their backs, you know?
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can say it up. It feels like it's all four of them, but it might just be the daughters. I'm not sure you're gonna know who. How many of them? Do you feel like your soul fractals are.
Leigh :
Definitely the two daughters? I. I kind of think. Yeah, I kind of think maybe the mom as well. I think the mom was carrying a lot of shame and guilt for not having done anything differently.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can say to the three of them, I take my life back. I take my soul fractal back from you, and you get to be at peace in the afterlife. And I'm going to come back into my own, my own lifetime. And if there's anything else you want to say, anything else they want to say, they can. You can say it to each other.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
Anything else that need to be said?
Leigh :
No, we just. We just exchanged. I love you.
Amy Babish:
Okay. Yeah. So now we're going to bring you into your blood lineage in this lifetime.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
Bring your mom behind your left shoulder with your maternal line behind her and your dad behind your right shoulder with the paternal line behind him. And so just take. Take your blood lineage in. In this lifetime.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And so you can say to them in your own way, I. I chose these blood lineages so I wouldn't. I wouldn't miss what happened in another lifetime. Mom. I've been loyal to your struggle of having to raise us, basically, while dad was on the road all the time and I had to go, go, go, go, go, and dad, I've been loyal to the part of you that has never been enough. Even though you've been, you know, praised, but also punished and admonished for your gifts. Mom, I've been loyal to not having my own money fully and being incredibly gifted.
Amy Babish:
I receive both of your gifts. But I know now this didn't start with either of you or either of these lineages. The unworthiness that both you feel in very different ways around money and around being enough. I had to go someplace else to get what I needed to bring it back here. And what happens for you, Leigh?
Leigh :
Oh, I mean, primarily, I just keep. I just keep feeling. I just keep feeling over. Forget how much I love them and how grateful I am that I could present back to them.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
Because they've given me so much in my life.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
And I want them to feel like they've received it from me, too.
Amy Babish:
So we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about that now. Yeah. Yeah. Take your time.
Leigh :
Yeah. I'm ready. I'm okay.
Amy Babish:
So the flow of life can only go one way. It can only go from the big ones to the little ones. Yeah. And this was also something you were entangled with in the other lifetime, but it's showing up right now. So you can't take care of your parents.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And your dad's Parkinson's and your mom's loneliness and her struggle of taking care of him. So we're going to invite a resource in that helps them to align with the path they chose. So you know your parents, you know, you know your lineage. So it might be something religious. It might be something from their immigration story. We're going to invite in. It could be land, it could be a saint, it could be a fairy, whatever. Whatever.
Amy Babish:
Whatever comes through.
Leigh :
My mom's dad did some cast when she was young. He was an amazing, wonderful person, and she didn't. They didn't get to experience him long enough. And he's stepping forward, wanting to help.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So he can say to her, I know I wasn't there for so long, but I'm the big one and you're the little one, and I'm here to take care of you and be with you as you take care of your husband. Yeah. What happens for your mom?
Leigh :
She's crying because she can finally sit down for a minute.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
Yeah. Because it. Does it have to be her?
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
You can say, mom, I've care. I've carried your inability to be worthy of rest. Yeah. That came from another lifetime. But I chose this lineage, so I wouldn't miss it. You don't have to be running all the time. And your dad is letting you know that. And so can you see that your mom's being taken care of by her dad? Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And so the next step is for you to say, your mom, thank you for giving me life. I'm ready to take my life back from you so I can live on my own terms and I can build the business of my dreams and be paid well for it.
Leigh :
That's all she wants for me.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. She's giving you her blessing?
Leigh :
Yeah. She wants it so bad for me. I think she wants it more than I do.
Amy Babish:
You can say, mom, I can't live out your dreams for you. I will live out my dreams.
Leigh :
Yes, yes, yes.
Amy Babish:
And so now we're going to talk with your dad. Okay. And we're going to ask your dad's paternal line and your dad, his soul. What resource does he need? Because you can't give it to him. It's. It can be something that transmutes. It can be energetic. It can be something the.
Amy Babish:
The field will let you know, Leigh.
Leigh :
Well, I have no idea what to do with this, but he's wanting his saxophone from when he was young because he played multiple instruments, and saxophone was one of them, and he played in a big band on the weekends to make extra money when he was a teenager. So he wants the saxophone. I guess that brought him more joy than I knew.
Amy Babish:
Can we ask the freedom?
Leigh :
Oh, sure, yeah. He said it felt like freedom.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And so can we ask the band to play with him?
Leigh :
Yeah, sure.
Amy Babish:
Here. And in his physical body that has Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
Leigh :
Yeah. It's that freedom. It's feel. It feels like he remembers what it was like to remember and know everything and know who he was fully and be able to move the way that he used to be able to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
So he can call on the band anytime he wants in the liminal space.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Leigh :
It's like. It's like knowing that he had to go do the band was a burden because it was kind of forced. But when he was actively doing it, he felt completely free.
Amy Babish:
When it was his choice.
Leigh :
Yeah. When it was his choice, when he was in the midst of the music all around him. Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
That was his freedom.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So can you feel that he's free in this space? Yeah.
Leigh :
He's.
Leigh :
He's smiling and happy.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. Say to you, dad, thank you for giving me life. I've been loyal to your Double bind at work or. I received so much criticism, mansplaining, just like you did from your dad. My boss. I've been. Grandpa hasn't. Has enrolled my boss at work for this.
Leigh :
For this process? Yes, he has.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And so we can invite grandpa in. Okay. And Grandpa's gonna take his. His life force and energy back from your boss.
Leigh :
Ah, yes. Please and thank you.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And whatever Grandpa needs to help him with that, it might be he's a little bit older, so it might not be music. It might be something else. If he needs help, we can just call another resource for Grandpa.
Leigh :
Strangely enough, as stubborn as he was in this lifetime, he's actually quite willing at the moment. So lovely in spirit, huh? Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So now you're going to say to your dad, I take my life back from you, and I'm willing to have a business where I don't have to travel all the time, where people will recognize me clearly for my gifts, and I'll be well paid and I won't be exhausted. You can say to him, you paid a high price to forget who you are so I can remember who I am. I'll never forget who I am, and I'll always remember you. Is there anything else you need to say to your parents or. Or your lineages or they want to say to you?
Leigh :
Well, parents, I could go on for days. I just told them, thank you for being the kind of parents who created this life where I could do this.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is there anything else before we close the space?
Leigh :
I don't think so. It feels quiet.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So you want to take some water?
Leigh :
Yeah. Good thing I didn't put my new contact lenses in for this. They would not have stayed in. Oh.
Amy Babish:
So how are you doing?
Leigh :
I'm good. I am. For how deep all of that felt, I do feel surprisingly light.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah.
Leigh :
I do feel. How do I explain? I feel like there's, like, shifting in my. In my head.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
Like it feels. Yeah. I don't even know how to put words to it. It just feels like there's. Yeah. There's like, movement and shifting, like, in my head and my. That like. I mean, other than the drainage from the crying, the.
Leigh :
The like tight. It was almost like my throat felt like I was breathing through a straw.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
Like it was creating, like a wheezing because it was so encroached, but that feels a lot more relaxed. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So this is. This is the alchemy of the constellation. So the pre. Field. You know, we started talking last week about this, and so the pre field, the closer we get, sometimes the prefilled becomes really active. And so like I don't think this is the Canadian fires.
Leigh :
Right.
Amy Babish:
So.
Leigh :
And it doesn't seem that surprising because, you know, when I have a client scheduled, it's not uncommon for me, like even a few hours ahead of time to go. There's nothing happening for me today. Why am I so anxious right now? Like it is just crushing my chest. And then I get into the session, I'm like, oh, that's yours. You know, so. Yeah. Right. So it's not, it's not that surprising that.
Leigh :
And I had the thought last night, is it possible that. Because this is coming up. So.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, that was there. Yeah. Do you have questions? Is there anything you want to name?
Leigh :
I think the only question that I had actually just coming up right now with the idea of, you know, I can't go backwards, that's not my job, that's not my responsibility. Is there the energy to move forwards for my own children? And they're beyond. Because we did this.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Leigh :
That was my hope. That was my hope that, that they may see some energetic shifts and some responsibility shifts and some things that they don't need to continue to carry for themselves.
Amy Babish:
Yes. Yeah. So, okay. When we alchemize it at the root.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
It kind of. The alchemy goes backwards and forwards. You can't take care of the big ones. Sure. But they, they can receive from the process. So your parents received from the process, your grandfather received from the process. That family in another lifetime received from the process. And any generations, you know, different, different practitioners would say different things and different religious sources say different things.
Amy Babish:
So I know it goes forward. I'm. I'm of the belief that is seven generations forward.
Leigh :
Ah, wonderful.
Amy Babish:
I see a lot of theologians and religious scholars and academics in my practice. And the Bible says four generations forward, so I'm not a student of the Bible, so. But I have people who. Many things. Yes.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So there's different reference points for that. Yeah. And you know, our kids have, have their own entanglements.
Leigh :
Sure.
Amy Babish:
And there's sometimes it just keeps going through and through and through like a well worn path. So this. Yeah, this will shift the path. And you know, this is, this is where it's like when you, when you started out and, and your. The initial intention that, that you wrote to me, you were saying, like there's some deep seated things, emotionally and energetically and subconsciously they're holding you back. And this is where it gets to be like really like, fantastic. Where it's like, actually it's not even unconscious. It's just in the.
Amy Babish:
It's in the field.
Leigh :
Right.
Amy Babish:
The modern way of, of saying, like, you have to do more belief work. I'm an NLP person. Like, I'm a mindset person. There's a time and a place. When it's not entangled, mindset work will be like a luge and it will go, go, go, go. But when it's not moving, it's not mindset work. It's. Right, it's not, it's not even your belief.
Amy Babish:
It's like entangled with some really complicated things either in the blood lineage or in the soul lineage. So my sense of this is it's gonna really be alchemized and it will just feel like, just very different. Like every person it's very different for. And you will have a different reference point of what feels like possibility for you, what feels like the path forward for you. And my sense is that you do process very quickly.
Leigh :
I. I usually do. I was going to say that also. I'm sorry to kind of cut you off in the stream there, but it's related only that, you know, sometimes even like with a really deep energy healing from a friend of mine or something like that that I may notice. You know, I don't really love the term healing crisis, but that there is like, like a delayed continuation of the healing. For it could be one day. I've had it go as long as five days, depending on, you know, exactly what it was that was worked on. So I imagine that potential lies with this kind of deep work as well.
Amy Babish:
So I talk it as expansion and contraction. So we really expanded. We went way out into the field and sort of a lot of things, you're not going to go back to zero and to your soul, to your soul lineage and to your blood lineages. You can set the boundaries and you can say, I want to, I want to integrate this work.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
And I don't, I don't want another thing coming at me right away.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So you can just, you know, just like, you know, you're, you're a parent, you can say to your kids, like, slow the roll. We just went through this yesterday. As a mom, I have a sense that you have, you have good boundaries. Yes.
Leigh :
Yeah. And. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And so we can.
Leigh :
It wasn't something I was good at long ago, but yes, now.
Amy Babish:
Now you are. So you can, you can say to your systemic field, I want to integrate this deep work, and I can't Handle another layer right now.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
And the way that we, you know, very similar to energy work. It's like you. You treat a contraction the same way that you treat illness. So more rest, no caffeine, no alcohol, like low sugar. Making sure you're in nature, making sure you meditate, resource, however you do pray, whatever, dance, whatever, whatever. Whatever the Leigh experience is, which I know you've got, you want to just really make sure there's a lot of space for that. Okay. And sometimes some people's fields are very, very like, they took the advanced curriculum and they want to do.
Amy Babish:
Go, go, go, go, go. Let's do another one. Let's do another one. And not everybody has that, so.
Leigh :
Sure.
Amy Babish:
You can. You can say I need to pace and. Okay. Yeah, I want to really integrate this because this has been really complicated and very painful, like in this life and in another life. And I need, you know, respect. Like, let's. Let's chill out for a little bit.
Leigh :
Yeah. Yeah.
Leigh :
Give me a minute.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And my sense is that because, you know, you. You have a big heart. I can tell that. And my sense is because of the entanglement with the.
Amy Babish:
With the daughters and the mom part of, like, the deep longing to, you know, what I call, like, be of service and make people feel better than they did before they met you, it might. The intention of your work might shift a little bit.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
And so you're just gonna notice. Notice that. And also in that lifetime, making money wasn't the focus, but it was like it was this slippery slope of we need to have the stature with appearance. And money was tied in. And so they put their intention into. We're going to keep up appearances. And to keep up appearances, we need money. And we're going to focus on this out here versus the pain and the agony that was happening right before their eyes.
Amy Babish:
So my sense is that it's going to sort in your system that you can make money cleanly by doing your healing work. And I know you're not confused about appearances, but that was the entanglement.
Leigh :
Oh, yeah. For certain. For certain. It was, you know, the appearance was. It was almost like they thought, as long as we keep the appearance, we'll be able to keep making the money, you know, kind of a. Yeah, so it was absolutely tied. Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
So it feels like you don't have to. We dissolve that with the elder. I think he came in and sorted that out, but just. I can see that you got that. But for the listeners, like, how.
Leigh :
Sure.
Amy Babish:
What's this about?
Leigh :
Yeah. So.
Amy Babish:
And right. I did pull cards beforehand to make sure that.
Leigh :
Oh, fun.
Amy Babish:
Kind of like on. On the right track. And so I asked what's the. What's at the base of the entanglement that you're carrying? And so I got the 10 of pentacles. So I did have a sense that it was money related. And so when we checked in with your mom and your dad, at first I was like, okay, your mom. It could be that, but it didn't feel like that. So that's why that was the other clue that I had that we were going to a different lifetime.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And then I asked, what's the resource? And the resource was the four of wands, which is family and home. And then I asked, what is. What is the most, like, aligned or divine or whole forward movement for you? And it was temperance.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
And so temperance is a crane with. In this deck of the wild unknown, a crane with fire with some water coming, like. And it feels to me like in this case, it's tears of joy. And I knew, kind of holding your intention, what I. What I got was like, you're going to have deep contentment in your work.
Leigh :
Okay. Yay.
Amy Babish:
And your ability to make money. Yeah. It's going to be, like, very balanced. Like, it's like you're wanting to create something new. And the heron. The heron is like, I'm gonna bring, like, kind of like the baby. I'm bringing the new thing. Like, so it could be that this fire is, like, igniting the baby of your business.
Leigh :
You wouldn't even believe, because the heron is actually a very, very, very important symbol for me. So.
Leigh :
Yeah.
Leigh :
And it's tied to many of the things that we're talking about right now. So.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So I was like, this.
Leigh :
This.
Amy Babish:
This feels right. And I think that's the. Like, these are very visually potent cards, and I'll send you a picture of them afterwards.
Leigh :
Would that be great?
Amy Babish:
And so I don't use the Rider Waite deck for many different reasons. And this deck, some, like, symbolism is very potent. And so it just feels like the three card story also for you was such a beautiful progression of, like, healing the money and confusion wounds that lived in your past life, but also lived in this blood lineage. To sacrifice, to have healing, not only for the family of your past life, but for your own family and for you and for your kids. That's what felt really important. And then whatever. Whatever the hair. The hair and alchemy is going to be, it feels quite, quite potent.
Amy Babish:
So wonderful.
Leigh :
And it does, it does kind of help spark a little bit of mini ideas rolling in the back of my head that I just never feel like I have the time and energy to dive into to go, what is this that I want to create as part of the business? So, yeah, so I look forward to what, what sparks of new ideas, new paths. How do I make this work? What is it that I want it to look like? Because it's always kind of like there are puzzle pieces here, but we've got some missing pieces and I can't quite get there, you know. So I look forward to it. Yes, for sure.
Amy Babish:
And it feels like around your exhaustion, you were actually carrying the daughter that was enslaved. You were carrying her, her exhaustion. So I expect that you're going to feel a lot, lot better. Like I don't think you're going to be so tired at the end of the day because I hope that things really ease up with your actual boss and your body, your nervous system, your, it really feels like immune system. Like your immune system was fighting the trauma that she carried. And so you're just exhausted all the time. So it feels like that can be really sorted. It might take, might like you want to drink a lot of water and it feels like you might get in your meditation different kind of things that can help energetically.
Amy Babish:
So it might be like a plant or a flower remedy that you don't actually have to take. But then I trust your system to know how to sort that. That's not for everyone's systems. But Leigh's system has this, I feel very clear. So it feels like there's something, it might even be something from like the southwest of France. It feels something like that. Like I'm hearing it might be like chamomile from the southwest of France or an herb that's going to help, that will help your energy body and your physical body repair from all the burden you carried from those girls.
Leigh :
Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'll definitely look into that too.
Amy Babish:
It's not, it's not so clear to me right now, but it feels like it's a bitter herbal. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know which one it is, but if it goes through, I'll email you.
Leigh :
Okay.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Leigh :
And it gives me a starting point too. If I do a little bit of, you know, just open ended research and scanning, that the right thing will kind of pop up and that'll be why. And just the, the way the timing plays out with things like this arriving just at the right point, you know, of I've just come out of almost two straight months of having not only work all day long, but absolutely every single evening, every single weekend day, something scheduled without break until this past weekend was the first time that I was like, I need to sit down and do nothing. And I said to my husband, I can feel that if I don't have some time to sit and do nothing for like hours, I'm on the verge of like burnout and getting sick. So here we are talking about how coming out. Just the way the timing plays, right.
Amy Babish:
Yes. Yes. Yeah.
Leigh :
So.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Anything else before we close up?
Leigh :
Yeah, no. I actually feel like I can breathe for the first time in about five days. To be completely honest. Like, it was almost like a whistle. Yeah. Wheeze in my throat and it actually is gone.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it has been a delight and a pleasure, Leigh. And for those of you who have. Who have hung with us through this big journey. Big, big, wild ride.
Leigh :
Yes.
Amy Babish:
Whatever you are carrying, I hope if it was around shame or around feeling like you can't rest fully, or if it was around being mansplained, or if it was around something really traumatic, or that you've seen a parent suffer with Alzheimer's and or Parkinson's, or seen a mom have to make make it work on her own while the other parent was out working hard, or if you have wishes for your own children, your own legacy, I hope that today's episode lands deeply and gently in your system. And if you're wondering if to work with me, I have a three session package of two hour constellations. So like Leigh's but a little more supercharged when we work in a three set together. And if you'd like to work with me, you can contact me through email, check out my website and until we meet again, sending you blessings from the doeg land that I steward. That's all for this episode of the Soulful Visionary podcast. If you found value in today's episode and are ready to delve deeper into aligning your inner world and environment, please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Your subscription helps us to reach more soulful visionaries like yourself. And if you've been inspired by what you heard, I'd be incredibly grateful if you could leave a review.
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