Alchemical Constellation Work—for When You’ve “Tried It All”
Healing deep, generational pain and shame in one potent session.
“Wow, that was just an incredible experience. Amy, thank you so much!” -Alex
Alex and I started our conversation thinking it was going in one direction, only to be thrust in quite a different direction. It’s just how alchemical constellation work goes!
We open these sessions with an intention and sometimes with an idea of where we might be heading. But the magic of the systemic field is that it drops us exactly where and when and with whom we’re meant to be.
Although we’d only spoken one time prior to this session, I’m grateful Alex had already done so much healing and that his ancestors were so willing and ready to find peace. This is an absolutely spectacular episode!
You’ll especially want to tune into this client session if you, too:
» have family who immigrated in search of a better life
» felt undervalued, unwanted, and like the outsider
» feel gripping tension somewhere in your body
» easily absorb the pain of others
» have tried everything else
In the episode, we dive right into some deep, dark places so proceed gently if you feel you might be triggered by mention of loss or miscarriage.
Topics covered in this podcast episode:
What to do when you’ve tried literally every other option to break free and get unstuck
Why Amy only sometimes shares what she notices during a tune-in
What surprised Alex during the ancestral work session
How ancestors add their own “flavor” to a pattern
How many generations back a pattern can start
How much you need to know about your family history to do constellation work
How you know when you’ve landed on the ancestor you have an entanglement with
What kind of secrets have been quietly carried for generations
The type of work that is needed to heal these centuries-old wounds
How Alex knew the archetype of his ancestor was strong in him
What to know if you’re considering ancestral constellation work with Amy
Why some people move through this work faster than others
What Amy is actually doing during these sessions to facilitate change
How constellation work is almost another branch of trauma therapy
How these patterns were even showing up in Alex’s astrology chart
As Alex put it, “The power of this work is that so many things that seem so unrelated all of a sudden have context and a container that relates them all together.”
I’m grateful to have another man on this podcast! I hope this conversation encourages more men and people to explore this powerful work, so they can liberate their own lives and lineages, and the collective.
We were able to find relief for Alex’s ancestors and still have time to talk about what it’s like to experience this type of work, so don’t miss that part of the conversation!
There are literally millions of ancestors who are waiting at the gates. But I’ve been very clear with them over the past few weeks that I can't work with them unless I work with their descendants.
If you feel like this work is calling, you're not making it up. The ancestors are so ready to get relief and to help their descendants—you.
Until we meet again, sending you, your ancestors, your legacy, and the collective infinite blessings.
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The unedited podcast transcript for this episode of The Soulful Visionary Podcast follows
Amy Babish:
Have you ever felt like there's something more just waiting to be unlocked in your life? Like no matter how much you've accomplished, a deeper potential is calling. Welcome to the Soulful Visionary podcast where I guide you to align with your authentic self and create a life of purpose, love and lasting impact. A life where you can truly soar beyond what your mind can comprehend. I'm your host, Amy Babish, a licensed psychotherapist and an expert in somatic coaching, feng shui and wisdom traditions. With over 20 years of experience guiding thousands of clients through soul level transformation. Each week we'll dive into potent practices, live client sessions and insightful conversations to help you dissolve intergenerational patterns and transcend your upper limits so that you can live the big life you are meant to live. Tune in and let's unlock your inner wisdom together. Welcome to the Soulful Visionary podcast.
Amy Babish:
I'm Amy Babish, your host and today we have another man on the podcast which I'm so excited about. Alex came to me. We don't really know each other. We had a pre podcast chat and I'm excited to dig in with him. Welcome in, Alex.
Alex:
Thank you so much, Amy. I'm super excited to be here.
Amy Babish:
So on the podcast we kind of just dig right into the intention so we can get, you know, use our time to do the work. So when we, we talked in our pre podcast session, do you want to read out and I can also put in the chat what we discussed or do you feel like that the intention iterated at all?
Alex:
No, I think we're with the same intention.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, okay, I'll put it into the chat because it's good, good for just the energy and this is what I would do in a session with people too. So. Okay, so the intention to presence for everybody else is I would like to have betterment in my own life and the world, bring my metaphysical gifts to people who need them and paid commensurately with my skills and paid well for me and for my life with my partner and the things we'd love to do. I'm willing to do the work to work through the poverty consciousness of the riches to rag story after the earthquake in Italy that lives in my paternal line as well as the feeling that no matter what I do, I'll suffer financially and I'll never get better. I've literally tried everything. Does that feel resonant?
Alex:
Yes, literally. Emphasize literally and you know, for people.
Amy Babish:
Who don't know what that means. What does that mean for you? Like to literally have tried everything.
Alex:
I mean, it means psychotherapy, it means emdr, it means energy work of all kinds. I mean, you go down the list, you know, emotional freedom technique, TAT technique, all these techniques, and they're all helpful for bringing out the feeling.
Amy Babish:
Yep.
Alex:
But I haven't noticed an actual kind of tectonic shift. Use the word.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Quick, but like that sort of shifts.
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Alex:
And. Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
And you know, even, even to use the tectonic shifts, like, I have chills when you say that because it probably does have deep roots and that earthquake.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Okay, so we're here and the first step that we're going to do is we do what's called a tune in. So you and I are going to tune into your intention. You might get sensations, you might get images, and it's really just allowing your systemic field to begin to align. Because we have so many layers in our systemic field, but we're going to tune into this specific intention for you and them. Okay. And whenever you, whenever you have your image or your sensation, you can just kind of speak it aloud.
Alex:
Okay. Okay. People kind of holding their head like this.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Alex:
This sort of feeling. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So. And for people who are on the, who are listening because we don't do video, it's like Alex's hands are clenched over his head, protecting his head crossed and like. Protecting the head.
Alex:
Yeah, yeah. Whenever I think about this specifically to the earthquake, in my ancestry line, there is always an image of a cross.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Alex:
Like, like a crucifix, but like a big crucifix.
Amy Babish:
Okay. Yeah. And I, I, for some, some, some constellations, I share my tunein and sometimes I don't, but it feels important, like I am someplace in the village with your ancestors or with an ancestor. And we're really far out. But I'm still, I, I'm like. Even before that. And I know that it's going to erupt and there's terror in me. And I see that even though, like distance wise, we're quite far away in my mind as an ancestor.
Amy Babish:
But I can see it's like bubbling and like frothing and I can see and I don't know what to do. I feel helpless.
Alex:
Yeah. Helplessness is a big feeling for sure.
Amy Babish:
When we, when we go in the next, we're going to just kind of keep on going in successive layers. So then the next layer, even though we were already present with an image from the past, um, the next thing we do is we're going to just double check with your intention. We're going to present your mom behind your left shoulder and your dad behind your right shoulder. And you're going to ask both of them in your own way. Do you carry this pattern? And did this pattern start with you?
Alex:
So my father. Do you carry this pattern? Big nod from dad. Big mom and dad, did this start with you? Big shake of the head.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Alex:
Big shake of the head with Mom. Did. Do you carry this pattern? She does a little bit. Like a shake of her hand. Like a little bit either way.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Like mezza mezzo, like half and half. Did it start with you? No.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Alex:
And it feels like my mom's even more emphatic. Like it goes even further back.
Amy Babish:
Way further back.
Alex:
Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
So this is something where I feel a lot more energy on your paternal side. And so if it was like an equal, they both feel equally, we would do something else that I wasn't sure. We might have to do, like, an audible and, like, change things up. But it's clear that we're going to work with your dad's line. So next we're going to go behind your dad. Your dad can still kind of be to the side. And you're going to present his parents, your grandparents, behind his shoulders in the same way that you did with your parents.
Alex:
Got him.
Amy Babish:
And you're going to ask them the same question. Do you carry this pattern? Did it start with you?
Alex:
All right, so grandpa, does this. Do you carry this pattern?
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Alex:
And then he does a little. I don't think he knew about it, but yeah, he's. Yeah, he does. Nana, do you carry this pattern or did it start with you, Grandpa? No. Do you carry this pattern? Yeah. I'm surprised, actually. She's nodding her head. Yeah.
Alex:
Did it start with you? No. No.
Amy Babish:
This is like, you know, in your body, you can start to notice how, you know, back in the day, you know, your ancestors might have known each other from the village and a bigger, wider community. Everybody experienced the earthquake, but we're going to go through and thread the line. And so now we're still on your paternal line, but it feels like it's stronger through your grandmother.
Alex:
It does. For some reason, which is surprising to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
So now we're going to go and presence her parents, who are your great grandparents, behind her.
Alex:
Okay. So my great grandmother, do you carry this pattern? Yeah. Did it start with you? No. My great grandfather. Do you carry this pattern? Yes.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Alex:
Yes. Did it start with you? Yes. I don't get to know what. Wait, does it start with you? No. No, I can't tell. It's not as clear.
Amy Babish:
What I'm getting is like, it might be that he kind of like added his own flavor into this pattern. So he carried some epigenetics of it. But then it's like, oh, no, it got the poverty consciousness came in like this in my flavor. But we're gonna to get him relief and to get you relief and to get your nana relief and your dad relief. We're going to go. We're going to keep going back.
Alex:
Okay, great. Let's do it.
Amy Babish:
Okay, so we're going to go to your great grandfather's parents. So your great, great behind him.
Alex:
Okay. I just got very, very tense when I thought of them. Yeah. So. So my great great grandfather. Did this start with you? Huh? And my great great grandmother. Did you hear this pattern? Yes. Did it start with you? Ah, yeah, there's like a.
Alex:
There's a shake there. Yeah. My great grandmother. Do you carry this pattern? Yeah, but it's like a little more indirect. Did it start with you? Yeah, these. This feels like where we've hit.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Like, I can feel the energy. And so what we do is we go one layer back.
Alex:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
Because to make sure that we're in the right, like, hot spot, if we're at the right hotspot, when we go one layer back, there will be like, much less intensity and then we go forward again.
Alex:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
So we'll go to. We'll pull up your four great great great grandparents and we're going to ask, do you care this pattern.
Alex:
Grandfather said to your. No, not really. No. They seem very much more at ease. These. These feel much forties. My great grandfather did my great grandmother. No.
Alex:
To the mother's side. Great grandfather. No. My great grand. The great great great grandmother. No. I mean, she has some sadness in her, but it doesn't feel like this particular pattern started with.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So you can, you can just kind of put, you know, presence her and say, like, maybe I'll come back to your sadness if you, if you, if you resonate with that. Like, I know about your sadness.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
I carried.
Alex:
I hear you.
Amy Babish:
And you have also carried your own sadness.
Alex:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
And so you can say I belong to your sadness.
Alex:
Belong to your sadness. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
So we can say I'll come back to it. But for today we're working. We're working with this intention.
Alex:
I'll come back to the vote today. For today we're working with this intention. She's okay.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So now we're gonna go one generation Forward again. So we're standing with your great great grandparents.
Alex:
Okay.
Amy Babish:
On your paternal line. Okay.
Alex:
These would be my paternal and great parents and grandmother's father's parents. These are Irish.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Alex:
I feel like they left. They. I know they came to America in the 19th century. They came. I don't know if it was for start. I get the feeling it was for starvation that they were.
Amy Babish:
So we're gonna. We're tuning because when I. When I trapped. I'm not sure if they're. I feel like we're still in Italy. So we went from your dad to your grandfather.
Alex:
Yeah, to my grandfather. Oh, okay.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yes. I think that they might have another role to play. That might be what your. What your mom was talking about. But when we did this tune in, the way I tracked it was your dad to his dad, which is your grandfather. Father.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
But then your Nana, your. His mom.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
She's the one who was like the big. Yes. So it's her line, are they Irish?
Alex:
They're Irish. Irish and Scottish. But her father was the Scottish. Her mother was the. No, her father was the Irish. Her mother was the Scottish.
Amy Babish:
Okay, so we have Nana and then we have. Yes, through her parents. Yeah, through her parents. Through the Scottish line.
Alex:
I think this is true. Wait, Ellen McDonald. Her name was MacDonald. No, the. One of the father would have been Scottish.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Alex:
And the mother was Irish.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So. And for those listening, I work with adopted people also. You don't have to know, but sometimes we do know. And it's not required to do this work. But it feels important with Alex's lineage that we're really getting specific about what this is, because we thought it was a tune in, and it might be about the earthquake, but it's. We're finding out something different. So now we're going to go in with your great grandparents and we're going to ask them to show you.
Amy Babish:
Show me the context of where this started.
Alex:
I get some. I get a closing in the throat.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Alex:
It's the first thing I feel there. Like there's nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing. We have nothing. We have. There's a very. That's strong feeling.
Alex:
There's like a. A listlessness. I don't know if it's an illness, but I see like someone like on a. On a boat, just kind of like with their hand on their head like this, just like exhausted.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Alex:
I'll just say I don't know where this is coming from, but it feels like they just got out, if that makes sense. Like, it feels like they just escaped. Escaped.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can ask them, can you show me what you were escaping Showing.
Alex:
Or you're escaping people handing cases over their head towards a ship.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Alex:
What were you escaping? Famine.
Amy Babish:
Okay. Yeah, yeah. And so do you. Did you know about this before this moment? And so you can say to them, I want to understand how. I want to understand how painful it was, how scary it was, how no matter what you do, you did. You were suffering financially and it never got better.
Alex:
I want to understand. Let me know how I want to understand how painful or difficult this was, your suffering. They're very hungry. Like, I feel like my. My stomach just inverted on itself.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alex:
There was no. It. Like they're picking up dirt and just going like this with the dirt with their fingers. Like. Like the. The dirt's falling through their hands. And I. Looking at bleak fields, like, bleak farm fields with, like, a house, but, like, there's nothing in the field.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're gonna ask them, do they have kids at this point?
Alex:
Do you have children? The wife is pregnant.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Alex:
Yeah, yeah. She's pregnant. On the ship, Getting on the ship. And fairly. I see a fairly big belly, so fairly far along the pregnancy.
Amy Babish:
Okay. And so you can say to her, I don't know if this is who's in your belly right now, but my nana is your daughter.
Alex:
This baby didn't survive.
Amy Babish:
Okay. This baby didn't survive.
Alex:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
That's really important.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And so you can ask, when did you have. When did you have the baby that lived.
Alex:
20 years later? It was a long time later. That's what I get.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. And you can say, was that my nana?
Alex:
Was that my Nana? No. I think we might be one generation back.
Amy Babish:
One. One generation back. Okay.
Alex:
Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Okay. Okay. So we're gonna ask what happened to the baby that lived?
Alex:
What happened to the baby that lived? So I see more busy streets now.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Happy. This was a happy kid.
Amy Babish:
Okay.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Okay. So that would be. That would be your nana's sibling or your nana's dad?
Alex:
That would be my nana's father. My nana's father. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So we're gonna ask your great grandparents. This is your great great grandparents. We're gonna ask them what happened when you came to America?
Alex:
What happened when you came to America? Someone got hit. Like, it felt. Someone just got smacked really hard.
Amy Babish:
And what did you think was going to happen when you came here?
Alex:
What were you expecting to happen? They were expecting. The red carpet. They're expecting, like, they Were expecting, like, oh, this is the land where you go and everything is good and everything is all right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
And so you can. You can look at them and say, if this feels resonant. I carry your big dreams that never happened. Yeah. Take your time.
Alex:
I carry your big dreams that never happened.
Amy Babish:
I'm a big dreamer.
Alex:
I'm a big dreamer.
Amy Babish:
And I see the big picture.
Alex:
And I see the big picture.
Amy Babish:
And I really want it for me.
Alex:
And my partner and I really want it for me and my partner.
Amy Babish:
Like you. You both did for each other and the. In the. And the baby you lost.
Alex:
Like you both did for each other and the baby you lost.
Amy Babish:
I see. I see your hunger.
Alex:
See your hunger.
Amy Babish:
Not just the physical hunger, but the hunger for something different.
Alex:
But the hunger for something different and better.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what happens when you witness them and you speak this to them?
Alex:
They're holding my hands and kissing my hands.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. Let that love in. Let that connection in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And what happens for you, Alex, as you have this moment with them?
Alex:
It was such crying, but relief.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
It makes like I feel connected somehow. Like something got connected, tied together.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can say, you know, in your own way, like, either I didn't know about this, or I was confused about this, or I thought it was just me. Whatever your truth is, like, reflect it back to them.
Alex:
I didn't know about this. Nana never talked about this. My. My dad never talked about this. It.
Amy Babish:
She.
Alex:
They're pretty sure she didn't know. This was not something that got to her generation.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So you can say. You can say to them in your own way whatever feels true. I can understand why you tried to hide your pain.
Alex:
I can understand why you tried to hide your pain and your shame. And your shame.
Amy Babish:
And the disrespect that you received.
Alex:
And the disrespect that you received.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah.
Alex:
I understand.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And, Alex, do you feel like that's happened in your own life?
Alex:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. You can say, I belong. I belong to you through that.
Alex:
I belong to you through that.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
I belong to you through that. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Your pain and shame and hunger and disrespect live in me.
Alex:
Your pain and shame and hunger and disrespect live in me.
Amy Babish:
They've been my lived experience.
Alex:
They've been my lived experience.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. And what happens when they hear you?
Alex:
Such love. There's such love. She. The woman's putting her hand on my cheek like this. Like she sees her and me.
Amy Babish:
She. Yeah. Yeah. She's comforting you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alex:
It's okay. Please keep telling me it's okay. It's okay.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can ask them, is there anything else that you need to show me for me to understand how complex this is?
Alex:
Is there anything you need else you need to show me in order for me to know how complex this is? The woman is, she pulled back a little bit like there's something else. But it's okay. I. I promise I won't judge whatever happened.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. You can say I'm seeing you from my heart.
Alex:
I'm seeing you from my heart. There's something about this baby.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. So you can ask her, you can say, do I need to have a conversation with you individually and ask my great great grandfather to step aside and.
Alex:
I speak to you individually and ask great, great grandpa to go to the side for a moment? Yeah, yeah. Is this even your baby? His baby? Yeah, yeah. No.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's carrying a family secret. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alex:
She's tough. She's.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Oh, yeah.
Amy Babish:
And this. This might not be accurate, but what I'm. What I'm intuiting is that she might have had sex with someone for money.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
To survive.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. She had to prostitute herself.
Alex:
They had to. She. Nobody. She didn't want to. He didn't want it.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. This was the way she survived. She was desperate. She was desperate. Yeah. Judge you for it. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Judge you for it. Yeah.
Alex:
I understand.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. I see your will to live.
Alex:
I see your will to live in the fight and the power you have in you.
Amy Babish:
And it lives in me.
Alex:
And it lives in me. That does live in me. Yeah. That does.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
I'm tenacious.
Amy Babish:
Yes. Yes. I will do whatever it takes to survive.
Alex:
We'll do whatever it takes to survive.
Amy Babish:
And I got that from you.
Alex:
And I got that from you.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
She's saying thank you. She's kissing my hands and saying thank you. Thank you.
Amy Babish:
And you can say in your own way, you don't have to over disclose, but you can say I've done whatever it takes to.
Alex:
I've. I've done whatever it takes to. Yeah, I have. I'll just say this much, is that I have not acted in ways in align with my values to get what I thought I wanted.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was desperate.
Alex:
I was desperate. Yeah. I felt that desperation. Oh, yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And I. I did whatever it takes. Even though I know what's right for me.
Alex:
I did whatever, Whatever it took. Even when I knew didn't know. I knew it was right for me. I did whatever it took.
Amy Babish:
And I see that in you. Great, great.
Alex:
Let me see that for you. I see that. Your great, great grandma. And thank you for sharing it with me.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Alex:
I feel released in a way. I feel a release happening as we talk.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And so to say to her, did you eventually tell your husband?
Alex:
Did you eventually tell your husband? She looks down, she's like, I did.
Amy Babish:
Okay. And we can ask her, did the baby die naturally or did she have an abortion?
Alex:
What I get is like, she almost willed it not to live.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alex:
She kind of wills. Like, I don't want it. I don't want. I don't want. Oh, that's a big thing too. Yeah. But I don't want it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
So we're going to. We're going to do another layer. We have many more layers. But to let her know, to say, we're going to. We're going to call on the soul of the baby that died.
Alex:
We're going to call on the soul of the baby that died.
Amy Babish:
The one that you will wilt to die.
Alex:
The one that you will to die.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. And it might come as the form of a baby. It might come as an energy. It's whatever. Whatever she needs to see it as. Yeah.
Alex:
It's like a purple, joyful feel. Purple light and a joyful feeling. She's so happy to see it.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. And say you've carried the shame and the confusion that you thought you caused the soul of this baby, not just the physical baby to die.
Alex:
You've carried the shame and the confusion that you thought you caused this baby.
Amy Babish:
To die because of all the shame you carried.
Alex:
Because of all the shame you carried.
Amy Babish:
And self.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And self loathing.
Alex:
And self loathing. And self loathing.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
That energy surrounds her from the back, like to comfort her, to hold her. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. You can say this. This is the eternal soul this is.
Alex:
The eternal soul that you've been disconnected.
Amy Babish:
From for all these. All these decades and generations.
Alex:
You've been disconnected from all these decades and generations. Over a century.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Over a century. Yeah. You've been. You've been in pain.
Alex:
You've been in pain.
Amy Babish:
And I've been in pain.
Alex:
And I've been in pain.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
I'm with the pain of being confused about my purple light.
Alex:
I'm with the pain of being confused about my purple light.
Amy Babish:
I've been loyal to your dead baby.
Alex:
I've been loyal to your dead baby.
Amy Babish:
I've been unwanted.
Alex:
I've been unwanted.
Amy Babish:
And I felt like people didn't want me or my work.
Alex:
I felt like people didn't want me or my work. It was valueless.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. What's it like to know? Like to really be with this Alex?
Alex:
It's so, it's emotion. Like, the crying is so cathartic. It's like finally.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Oh. It's like. It's like the biggest sigh of relief I could ever imagine.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. You didn't know. You didn't. You didn't know you needed this.
Alex:
I didn't know I needed it. I had no idea. I. I came in thinking I knew what we were going to talk about, but this is wild.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah.
Alex:
But it makes so as we're talking about it, it makes so much sense.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Yeah. Patterns and patterns and patterns that I'm seeing unravel here. Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Not just about your business, but about your whole life.
Alex:
Yes. Yes.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
So we're gonna ask her, can we invite great great grandfather back in?
Alex:
Can we invite great great grandfather back in? Yeah.
Amy Babish:
She's.
Alex:
She's calmer now. She's more confident. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And we're going to let that purple light envelop both of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the healing resource that they couldn't access in the famine Healing resource.
Alex:
You couldn't access in the.
Amy Babish:
On the boat. On the boat with all the disrespect and confusion you received in America.
Alex:
All the disrespect and confusion you received in America.
Amy Babish:
And the shame.
Alex:
And the shame. And the never enoughness and the never enoughness.
Amy Babish:
And the self loathing.
Alex:
And the self loathing.
Amy Babish:
And the second guessing of would it have been better if we stayed?
Alex:
And the second guessing of would it have been better if we stayed?
Amy Babish:
Did we make the wrong decision?
Alex:
Did we make the wrong effing decision?
Amy Babish:
Yeah. You can, you can swear on this podcast.
Alex:
Okay, good. All right. The right mom fucking decision. I swear a lot wrong fucking decision. Didn't make the wrong fucking decision. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. You can say I belong to all of that that lives in both of you.
Alex:
I belong to all that it lives in both of you. It lives in me.
Amy Babish:
And the baby that was willed to.
Alex:
Die and the baby that was will to die. Yeah, I get that the baby didn't. She didn't actually will the baby. It was just malnutrition. It was. I, I, she may have thought that from the shame. Yeah, maybe she did, but I just got a sense of like, it was more of medical something.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. The baby that couldn't survive.
Alex:
The baby that couldn't survive.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. It's important we clarify that. Yeah, yeah.
Alex:
But her shame. She was blaming herself.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Alex:
That she willed it.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. She's powerful, but she didn't come.
Alex:
She is, no.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So let them receive all of the joy, all the aliveness, all of the clarity, all of the wholeness from the. The soul of this baby. The purple light.
Alex:
Such relief on both of their faces, particularly the. My Gregory granddad.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Alex:
It's like he's joyful again. There's a smile.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. He's been disconnected. He's been in such grief from all of his decisions, from witnessing his wife suffer and blame herself.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Then he felt helpless to that. Yeah. Helpless to her pain. And nothing helped it.
Alex:
Nothing.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. The money wasn't the antidote. Yeah.
Alex:
Was it?
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Alex:
You're welcome. He just said thank you.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alex:
That's a pattern, too, in my father's line.
Amy Babish:
Say more about that.
Alex:
Being with someone who's in pain and there's nothing they can do about it.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can say that was passed down and that lives in my dad.
Alex:
That was passed down and that lives in my dad.
Amy Babish:
Does it live in you, too, or someone else?
Alex:
It used to. I think that's a pattern that I have worked through, more or less.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Alex:
But I do. I can very easily hold somebody's pain very easily. In fact, that just happened this morning. I had, like, the. Okay, yeah.
Amy Babish:
Not yours.
Alex:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
So what we're going to do next is invite the whole line after them, so their children, which is your. Your great grandparents, and then your grandparents and then your dad and then you. And if you have siblings, they can also be invited.
Alex:
Only child.
Amy Babish:
Only child. Okay.
Alex:
Yeah, yeah, Yep.
Amy Babish:
So we're gonna invite all of the whole lineage to just receive the purple light, the joy, the aliveness, the clarity, the wholeness. And it might feel like energy. It might feel like just light to some of the ancestors. We can't. We don't have to control it. But they're receiving the healing. The healing.
Alex:
It's like, again, that relief.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Just relief. Like everybody's going, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
Your nana's getting it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alex:
Yeah. She's going, okay, that's why I have her picture here. I'll just show you. People can't see it, but I'll show you. But I have her picture here with me. She's saying, oh, Alex, thank You. I could hear, you know, like.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alex:
I never heard her. I always thought this was my grandfather's line.
Amy Babish:
This is.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So you can say that to her. To. To her. Part of your pain was erased. Part of your story was erased.
Alex:
Nana. Part of your story was erased.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
I'm sorry. I was confused.
Alex:
I'm sorry. I was confused. Her father died when she was quite young, and so I think that. I think she was maybe six or seven. And she's saying. She's like, I didn't really even know to tell you, but it lived as a form, an energy form. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And you can say I belong to erasing myself sometimes, too.
Alex:
I belong to erasing to myself sometimes, too. But no more. That's what I just heard in my head. But no more.
Amy Babish:
No. No more.
Alex:
No more.
Amy Babish:
So you're gonna go to your great great grandmother, so everyone's still gonna kind of be there in a gathering, and you're going to say to her, I see. I come from a really complex line.
Alex:
I come from a really complex line.
Amy Babish:
And I also see your wholeness more clearly.
Alex:
And I also see your wholeness more clearly.
Amy Babish:
And I can see it in my nana.
Alex:
And I can see it in my nana.
Amy Babish:
And if it feels true, you can say it about your dad.
Alex:
I can see it. And I can see it in my father, too. Yeah. I really can.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. And so you're going to say to your great great grandmother and to the baby, to the. To the purple. I take my life back from you now.
Alex:
I take my life back from you now. Yeah. There's a. There was an offering. They just offered their hands. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah. And I'm going to live it on.
Alex:
My own terms and I'm going to live it on my own terms, just like we wanted to.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. For the betterment of my own life.
Alex:
For the betterment of my own life.
Amy Babish:
The world.
Alex:
The world.
Amy Babish:
My ancestors.
Alex:
My ancestors.
Amy Babish:
Bringing my metaphysical gifts bringing my metaphysical gifts to the people who need them.
Alex:
To the people who need them.
Amy Babish:
And being paid commensurate and being paid.
Alex:
Commensurate with my skills with my skills.
Amy Babish:
And paid well for me and paid.
Alex:
Well for me in my life with my partner and my life with my.
Amy Babish:
Partner in doing all the things we'd.
Alex:
Love to do in doing all the things we'd love to do while honoring the wholeness while honoring the wholeness of the complex story of the complex story.
Amy Babish:
Of this part of my lineage.
Alex:
Of this part of my lineage. I'm gonna say, something's Gonna sound very weird.
Amy Babish:
Oh, no, there's nothing.
Alex:
Okay. Yeah. If I had a womb, it would have just relaxed.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Alex:
In my belly, I felt like. Which has always been in my whole life, this gripping tension in my belly.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. So you might have carried. You might have been so connected to the baby who died that you were in the womb with the baby. And so you can say to your great grandmother, I gave you back your womb and the baby who died.
Alex:
Give you back your womb and the baby who died.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alex:
I was carrying it.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alex:
So nice to know.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is there anything else you want to name with them? Anything else they want to say to you?
Alex:
I'm saying we're. I think I just thought it, like, we're complete. I see them as people now, not just my grandparents, but just as people, also. Fellow humans. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
They're more. They're more integrated. Yeah.
Alex:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So. So you can say I'm ready to integrate this and I'm ready to fully rest into who I really am as me.
Alex:
I'm ready to integrate this and I'm ready to fully rest into who I am as me. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And I will. I will have a. I will have a relationship with you for the rest of. The rest of my time, however you'd like to say that.
Alex:
And for the rest of my life, I will have a relationship with you.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Yeah. Wow.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. So you might want to take a sip of water.
Alex:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very powerful.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. And, you know, kind of as we. As we discussed in our pre. Pre chat, you knew as much as you knew. So you thought it was about the earthquake. And that's. We. We sometimes, like, that's what we.
Amy Babish:
That's all you had. Right. And so this is where when we actually go into the field and we really tune in, where we get. Get the nuance, that's where we can really get, like, the most relief for the ancestors, the most relief for us, and then that's what we. Like, we. We allowed. I didn't know it was going to be the purple energy and the soul of the baby, but we always invite a resource in, and so that resource will provide something that was not available in their actual lived life, but it is available now.
Alex:
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Cool.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. What questions do you have? Anything you want to name with me? Your eyes?
Alex:
I mean, I could. I gotta make a million questions. I mean, you know, but, you know, all that I'm naming is that this has felt like a phantom in my own life for a long time that I could never place. I could never place. And the archetype of the prostitute has been very strong in me, you know, it's strong in my astrological chart too. But the archetype of like, and, and doing things desperately and everything being out of desperation and reaction rather than self direction.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
But in the context of my own life, it almost didn't make sense. It's like, but I, I have a beautiful life, you know, like, very beautiful. I, I have all resources. I'm like very privileged in so many ways. It's just like I don't know where this phantom world came from.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
And I just assumed, like you said, the only story I had ever heard was the richest rags with the earthquake and you know, losing a sort of family fortune. I said, well, it must be that. But I'm like, I've worked on that so much and it was still there, you know. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Right. So it's like, you know, even when, when it's time, it's like it will emerge. Right. So it, and this is the power of this work, when we don't have to actually know the history, that the systemic field will always organize itself when it's ready to be rearranged and receive support and ready for completion. And that's a beautiful thing that happened in our conversation today.
Alex:
I love it.
Amy Babish:
Very, very beautiful. And I think for the listeners, because you are someone who is very well versed in personal work. I would love to hear some, like, you have all these questions because I think when people come to me, they don't really understand what I do. And I think this episode, given who you are and your life experience and how many things you've thrown at this, like what would be things you would say to someone who's considering this kind of work?
Alex:
With me, I, I would say that like, you know, it's very easy when you've done a lot of your own healing work to come in with preconceived notions of what it's going to be. Because you've talked about those things. Like in therapy, I've talked about this, I've talked about that. So I could run you through in my sleep the whole story. I could run you through the whole thing. Mom was like this, that was like this. They had this, all that sort of stuff, but nothing was actually making a difference and nothing. You know, I always know when I hit pay dirt because of the emotional reaction, the way my body feels.
Alex:
And it would be like, well, it sort of hits here. It sort of hits here, but it never really grounded itself in me. And I have thought since I was very little, even though when I was little, I wouldn't have been able to conceptualize it. There's something not right here. Something's not being talked about. And I remember even saying to my therapist once, I think a baby was lost in my family.
Amy Babish:
Goodness. Oh, my goodness.
Alex:
And she was wonderful. You know, she said, do you think that was your mom? I'm like, I don't. I don't think that was my mom. I really don't. I mean, you know, it could have been, but it didn't feel right that it was my mom. But, you know, all of that sort of so many chains of emotion through my life that you were naming, that I hadn't even told you were so many themes that had showed up or do show up in my life. The disrespect, not valuing myself, reacting, feeling that you've got to always be on the run, always be on the run, always be on the run. You got to be moving.
Alex:
You got to be moving. I would never have put that all together.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
And that was. We did, like, what, I don't know, 20 minutes, half an hour. But it was just. Holy Jesus. I'm still kind of in shock.
Amy Babish:
So I think for some, you know, I'm really attuning to you in your systemic field. And for other people's systems, this might have taken much longer. And there's not like a. There's no gold star for being longer or shorter. But I'm. I really tuned into, like, you're really ready for this in a way that you could hold the. What I would call the intensity. And so it happened, like, kind of.
Amy Babish:
To me, it felt like a. Like when people give birth. And it's really quick. It's like we call it like, going through the ring of fire. Like, this was a quick delivery. And some deliveries are arduous, and they take a long time. And, like, you see the crown, then it goes back in. And so I feel like your ancestors were, like, really ready.
Amy Babish:
And, you know, everybody's systemic field is different. And one of the things I want to name also is, like, in Western, not just colonial, but, like, in Western thought, personal work is really about ourselves and our parents and maybe our grandparents. And that puts, like, the. The onus on, like, very, very small circle of influence. And, yeah, when we do systemic constellation work, it is so much bigger. We're taking historical, cultural, famine, Famine. We didn't get into the politics of famine. But, you know, I have lots of people who are students of history on who listen to this.
Amy Babish:
Famine is a political, political genocide.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And this was not a famine caused by, you know, the seasons not working. This was intentional. This was a act of war.
Alex:
Oh, that feels resonant as you say that too.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. It didn't, that didn't feel like it needed to be named in the constellation process. But for people who are questioning, like, how is this different? How does it really work? It's that when I'm facilitating, I am holding some fields, we would have to name that out loud because those ancestors would want to know that. I understand. I know you under. I, I had a sense of you that you understand those things.
Alex:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish:
And so that nuance didn't have to be named specifically when we do this kind of work. I'm not placing blame and I don't have a hypothesis of like, oh, this is what caused this, or this is what the outcome is going to be. I really am being present to the fullness of your systemic field and all of the secrets, atrocities, horrible, horrible things that have happened in all of our lineages that cause modern day things that look like, oh, this is this, you know, 100%. It's in your chart. 100%.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And it's on repetition. It's like a skipped record. Like it's going to keep on happening no matter what you do.
Alex:
You know, it's so funny how you're putting that all together too, when you're doing the work, because I could, like, feel it. What I really appreciate with that is I like going there. You will go there. And I'm like, okay, I can go here with you. Because I felt that comfortable. I'm like, let's just go to all the really dark stuff that you could feel coming to the surface. But I got to tell you, it's interesting what you just said last night. And I knew I would have a dream related to this work because I was so excited to come into this podcast.
Alex:
And I had a dream of a big red truck, oversized, driving through corn fields and mowing down the crops.
Amy Babish:
Oh, my goodness.
Alex:
And I, I couldn't. I woke up and I'm like, what is that about? Like, you know, I had the feeling it was like a malicious, like, I'm destroying these.
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Alex:
And now when you say that about, I'm like, that's what they were trying to tell. Like, that's. That was the image that was coming through. But it also, you know, the Power of this work, too. I think what I just discovering is so many things that will seem so unrelated.
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Alex:
All of a sudden have a context in something and a container that relates them all together. Like, I'm putting together 12 or 13 different strands of my life right now with that one piece of work.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's. It's like it doesn't. You know, I am all for doing, quote, unquote, doing the work. And sometimes we are in it, like, slogging, and sometimes the work is like that. And most people who are on a path of journeying, they have done a lot of slogging that come to me.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And so when you come to me, I used to do the slogging work. I was a trauma and chain psychotherapist for 20 years. Like, I know about that work. And it doesn't have to be that all the time.
Alex:
Yes. You know, Amy, I'm on your podcast, but if I could ask you a question.
Amy Babish:
Of course.
Alex:
Do you think that that is a brand, maybe not the way trauma therapy is headed, but like a different branch of trauma therapy that's opening up where it's just like. Because I've done trauma work that's been very helpful of, like, let's look at it, let's explore it, let's feel around it, let's resolve it. I get that. But there's also something we said about what I felt like happened with this was like the nucleus got taken away, and I feel like you alchemized. Exactly. And so I'm wondering if, like, do you think those things work in tandem? Like, some people are more for one, more for the other, that sort of idea.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. I feel like some people, they need what I would call capacity building.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And so the capacity building is when you feel like you just can't deal with certain emotions, or you're so emotional you can't get them to turn off, or you carry a lot of physical pain. So I helped people through a lot of physical pain, or what we might call, like, medical diagnoses or challenges, not that it's completely gone, but, you know, a chronic condition, and then it is. It gets a lot of relief. So when the body is stable enough and the emotional body and the energetic body are stable enough, then we can sometimes go in and do this work for one kind of person. For other people, they're carrying something that's so complex. Like, I have another client that I've referenced before on the podcast that she was in her 50s. She came to me during COVID terrified of dying. She had asthma ever since she was a baby.
Amy Babish:
And when we did the work, it was really about ancestral, unresolved grief. And so we were doing some somatic work, and I could see early on that we needed to go in and do ancestral work for her physical body to release the grief that was exacerbating and perpetuating asthma. It's both. It depends on the person, it depends on the system. It depends on the ancestors. And, you know, I don't think that there's a one size fits all, fits all place, but I feel like for so many people who feel that it's just never going to change in this lifetime. That is the key of when you want to do this kind of work.
Alex:
Well, that's how it came to me. I mean, that's what I felt like. I'm like, well, you know, it's fine, but it was just like, I've thrown literally everything and the kitchen sink and everything at it. And this felt. I. I was surprised by the emotion that came up. I wasn't expecting you would say, get the tissues. And I'm like, can I get the tissues? I cry.
Alex:
But I didn't expect to. Really? Yeah, it was. Wow. Ye. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
You sobbed.
Alex:
Yes, there was. Oh, there was sobbing. Oh, there was. There were tear. There were tears flowing. And that's. That's unusual for me, too, even in front of someone else.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
You know, to really, really sob like that. So that. Wow, that was just an incredible experience. Amy, thank you so much.
Amy Babish:
Thank you, Alex. And any. Any other questions? Anything you want to name? Anything else before we close up?
Alex:
No, but everybody. Everybody behind me is grateful to you, too.
Amy Babish:
Oh, thank you.
Alex:
You definitely were sent to me. I can feel it. Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
And. And I. I would say for those people listening, there are literally, like, millions of ancestors who are waiting at the gates. And I've said to them very clearly over the past few weeks, I can't work with you unless I work with your descendant. And so I can't cross any lines. I can't do anything behind the scenes. I can see you. I acknowledge you.
Amy Babish:
And if you feel like this work is calling, you're not. You're not making it up. The ancestors are so ready to get relief and to help their descendant. Which would be the listener, right?
Alex:
Yes, exactly.
Amy Babish:
The listener slash the podcast guest.
Alex:
Like, exactly.
Amy Babish:
They're. They're ready, and they. They. They want it for you. Like, you.
Alex:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
Your. Your expression, Alex, of like, you felt so held and, like, almost, I would say, like, cherished in this process because.
Alex:
It was almost like they couldn't from. First of all, you feel very, very safe to be around. I feel like you can just open up. But also, the look that my great great grandmother was giving me or great, great, great. Well, great. One of the greats was giving me was so almost like, ah. Like, oh, it continued. Oh, yeah, we're there.
Alex:
Oh, oh. It was like. It was just one of the most beautiful experiences I've ever had. And honestly, even in my family, like, ancestry is not talked about too much beyond a certain point, beyond the grandparents, you know.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah. The ancestors know that they need help. They don't necessarily always know that it's perpetual. Like, the past is coming into the present, which is. Which is kind of like the rubber band or the boomerang experience that is happening. So the descendant thinks, oh, this is just my lot in life, literally. And. And.
Amy Babish:
And the ancestors kind of feel like I'm never going to be. Be fully acknowledged, and I carry this pain. And I see it's not great for the descendant, but I don't think the two are related.
Alex:
Right, right, exactly.
Amy Babish:
So it's an aha on both sides, usually.
Alex:
Yeah, yeah. It was like a. It was like a. I never thought, like, she was confused. It could affect me.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, yeah.
Alex:
That I could even exist, like, in her mind. It was. She could never even imagine that there would be, like, a man alive in the 21st century.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
Who would be her descendant. Yeah, right.
Amy Babish:
It's like.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
It didn't occur to her.
Alex:
No.
Amy Babish:
And. And even, you know, when. When grandparents or parents are talking to us, it's not a hundred years, it's not a century later. But sometimes, because the patterns of intergenerational work are so nuanced and so complex, your lived experience could have been literally foreign to your own parents or to your own. You know, to your nana. Like, it's just. It's just so what we call hidden in plain sight, that the entanglements with our ancestors, it's hidden in plain sight. And it's not.
Amy Babish:
It's not. You and your dad and your nana all have the same entanglement. You carry different entanglements.
Alex:
Yes. And what you said about feeling foreign. I have always felt like I'm the alien.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
In the family. That I don't make sense even to people. But I'm like, but you carry this, too. But they have diff. They have a whole different way of relating to it, how their life came together, their other. I. I see that now. It makes so Much sense.
Alex:
But that was an experience that I had for almost my entire life. Was feeling like the alien in my family.
Amy Babish:
And to really presence now that you were in, I would say, you know, to put words to it, which it's not ever going to fully encompass it. You were entangled in your great grandmother's womb with a baby that died.
Alex:
Because I'm an astrologer. Could I say something around that?
Amy Babish:
Yes.
Alex:
One of my favorite books right behind me is called the Astrological Neptune by Liz Green. She's an archetypal astrologer, psychotherapist, and she talks about. No, Neptune is conjunct my sun, which rules my chart. So I'm ruled by the sun. Neptune is right with my sun in my chart. And that was the first thing an astrologer noticed years ago when I found my first reading. So first thing she points at and what Liz Green talks about is Neptune being related to wanting to get back to the womb, wanting to get back to that sort of space. And what is so funny, and I've never been able to say it to you until only to you.
Alex:
Because I couldn't put it together somatically. It has felt like if I had a womb, I was always carrying tension there in that exact space in my lower belly. And I always thought it was something about like, well, maybe it's like old unprocessed Catholic guilt or like, you know, like erotic guild or. I don't think it is. I've worked on that. You know, I'm like, I've taken the, you know, the every. Everything to that. Now this makes so much sense in literally entangled in that space of her body.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah.
Alex:
Wow.
Amy Babish:
Yeah. Yeah.
Alex:
This is amazing, Amy. I'm like, I'm not just trying to sell because I'm on Amy's podcast. I literally tell you I have done 15 years of work with really good, really helpful people, really skilled people, really skilled people. And they really got at stuff. But there was always this nagging little pull right here. And I think that's where this was helpful too. And why we could move quickly is I know I've built capacity to go to the really tough places.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
And you would need that. But once you know that, that's where I feel like the real one of the big values of what happened today was something I could never place. A phantom that had. I have done all kinds of work and serious trauma work around and, you know, working with really good trauma informed people. And it never budged. And so I thought exactly what you said. This is Just me. This is just my destiny.
Alex:
This is just my faith. This is something I'm carrying with me. This is my car, whatever it is.
Amy Babish:
Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah. I'm so grateful to you for your willingness and all the work that you've done into your ancestors and to our. The mutual person that referred you to the podcast. And yeah, I can't wait to see what unfolds. Like, I'm after this, after your resting period of integration. I can only imagine what's going to happen. And we're recording this right after the eclipse, so.
Amy Babish:
And this eclipse is very relational, really karmic.
Alex:
Yes.
Amy Babish:
And so I don't. Yeah, go ahead.
Alex:
It's also in the sign of Virgo, which was related to the virgin whore dynamic and archetypal understanding.
Amy Babish:
Yeah.
Alex:
And it was in my second house, which is worth value and worth. You cannot make it up.
Amy Babish:
You can't make it up.
Alex:
Raising.
Amy Babish:
Right. This was literally aligned by, you know, your soul, I would say.
Alex:
Yeah.
Amy Babish:
Divine timing and right on course. And what I'm also hearing. And you can do this in your own way or you can take it with a grain of salt. I would say taking some kind of ritual or going out to a place in nature and making an offering, that feels important. And maybe it's making art around it. Maybe it's having like, I'm hearing purple flowers of some sort. It's early spring hyacinths, I don't know. But something that's brings some sweetness and completion.
Amy Babish:
And it feels like really energetically something about the womb, like really offering it back to the land that was taken from your ancestors that was back pre. Pre famine, pre red truck. It feels like offering it within the quantum field to the land of Scotland. That feels like it would be a powerful, like, full completion. And it might be that you bring in. I'm not very familiar with Scotland, but you might bring in. If it feels like. I feel like the soothing of lavender.
Amy Babish:
It might be offering some. Some tea. It might be offering some stones from where you live and asking the stones to talk with the land. But it feels really important to do some kind of ceremony to complete it.
Alex:
I'm 100%. I love those ideas. And I have a beautiful river behind my house where I can. I can do some work like that. Yeah.
Amy Babish:
That's lovely. That's lovely. Well, Alex, this has been spectacular. I'm so, so grateful. And to those of you listening, if this resonates with you or if you're like, wtf, Amy? How can you possibly help me? It was so easy for Alex. There's no comparison here. He made it look easy. And whatever you are sitting with, whatever you feel, hey, this is just my lot in life.
Amy Babish:
This is just how it's going to be. I can't make any promises, but I. I know that if your ancestors nudge you and you really are saying maybe there's something here for me, I really encourage you to reach out. If you're someone who needs capacity building, I can work with you for 12 months. We can do it and pepper in the ancestral work as we go along in pace. If you're someone who's like Alex, who's done a ton of work, who says, I'm just ready to get down on it and get down to it, I have 90 minute sessions. I can't wait to meet you. I can't wait to work with you.
Amy Babish:
And if you're someone who's been here for a while who's like, today's the day, let's do this. I can't wait to continue your journey and support your ancestors. And if this episode resonated, please leave a review on your favorite podcast platform until we meet again, sending you your ancestors and your legacy and the collective infinite blessings. Thank you. That's all for this episode of the Soulful Visionary Podcast. If you found value in today's episode and are ready to delve deeper into aligning your inner world and environment, please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Your subscription helps us to reach more soulful visionaries like yourself, and if you've been inspired by what you heard, I'd be incredibly grateful if you could leave a review. Your feedback not only helps others discover this podcast, but also guides me in creating content that truly resonates with you.
Amy Babish:
I'll catch you in the next episode. As we continue to unlock the love, purpose and fulfillment you deeply crave.