The Magic of Reclaiming Your Personal Power with Ancestral Work
“I’m grateful for whatever part this process was able to do to really ease my Nona’s passing. You’ve given me such a gift today, Amy.”
Mike and I connected for the first time just days before recording this conversation.
I’m incredibly grateful to Mike for joining me for this sacred and powerful session and for being our first male guest!
I get asked so often if I work with men. And the answer is—I work with all genders! As you’ve maybe heard on the podcast, I even work with couples.
There’s no situation too complicated, no person too “broken” for this work.
Even our ancestors know this, which is why they often guide clients to me—including Mike’s ancestors.
You’ll especially want to tune into this client session if you, too:
» have been feeling the pressure of projections
» want to feel more grounded in yourself
» feel like your power has been taken
» are more of a public persona
» want to build self trust
Topics covered in this podcast episode:
How constellation work sifts through the information to identify who the entanglement is with
How this ancestral work can improve trust—especially self trust
How somatic work comes through in constellation work sessions
The different ways clients receive information from ancestors during these sessions
If it’s possible to work with family members even if they’re not physically here
The 2 ways to presence the ancestor you’re entangled with
What our ancestors need to hear from us to help them heal
What it means to feel tension in your neck and/or back body
How an ancestor can give present-day you a ritual generations later
How constellation work compares to doing ancestral work with plant medicine
How Amy’s ancestors were able to be extra supportive for this client session
Constellation work is a substance-free, accessible, and powerful way to do lineage work.
In Alchemical Constellation Work, we're looking for something that was omitted or denied, sometimes a tragedy or a horrific event. Through this work, we’re able to provide comfort and healing—throughout the entire lineage.
My hope is that this conversation encourages more men and people to do this work, so they can liberate their own lives and lineages, as well as the collective.
Mike’s ancestors shared some incredibly wise words you won’t want to miss.
Until we meet again, thank you for joining us and listening.
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The unedited podcast transcript for this episode of The Soulful Visionary Podcast follows:
Amy Babish: Welcome and Mike.
Mike: Thank you, Amy. I'm so glad to be here.
Amy Babish: So we've kind of named your intention, but we're going to share it with our listeners and to kind of presence it with within our space today together.
Mike: Sure, yeah. And I might need a little bit of help as we're refining, but my intention is really to start to work with some of the unmanifested, unexpressed, energy, power, intention in my family, particularly on my dad's side of the family. And also since I sent you my intention, as I've been reflecting, my grandmother, who's my dad's mother, my paternal grandmother is in the process of dying and passing and it, you know, she has had a very difficult life. She is a very highest woman, grew up in very rural Italy, didn't know anyone who wasn't white, Catholic, straight, you know, and so our family has thrown her for lots of loops and she's really had to learn and adapt and grow. And my mom's Jewish and my parents got pregnant at wedlock. There's a whole bunch of things that really, right from the get go, she's had a lot of near death experiences, a lot of trauma in her life. And I really, you know, I believe, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, that in this constellation work, my healing can affect that whole energetic field and lineage. And I would love to give her some healing and peace that I have the privilege to do that work before she passes.
Amy Babish: Oh, that's amazing. That's amazing. So Mike has a little bit of context around constellation work. And we talked a bit about how, you know, regular constellation work is wonderful and how we. The work we do here is a bit more potent as those of you who are regular listeners, for those of you who are new, you're in for an experience. So we can't control the flow of life, but we can open up. I think about it as like the faucets for more flow. And the flow comes backwards to forwards.
Amy Babish: But when we in this present moment impact your present lived at life, then it has a ripple effect backwards and forwards. Like lineage and legacy. No matter if we have kids or not, our legacy is many different things. For those of you are like, but I don't have kids. It's not about kids. Kids is one way. But we have legacy in many ways. So when we, when we do the constellation work, your intention is very clear.
Amy Babish: We want to sit with also we sit with both sides, like an infinity loop. So you're speaking to really meaningful what we call like forward movements. Like this is what's going to open up the tap part. And then when we sit with, like, maybe what has happened with you that you can notice, this is where things are. Maybe. I've thrown a lot of things at this. Like I've done plant medicine and I've done a lot of personal work. And you facilitate personal work for a living.
Amy Babish: And you know yourself very well. And one of the things that we mentioned, and this might not be it today, but this is an example, is that you feel like there's a lot of splits in your life, in your identity and just lived experience. So I don't know if you feel like the split is what we want to speak to with this forward flow. Let me know, let me know what's coming through when I name it that way. Yeah.
Mike: Can you say a little more about the split? Like give me an example of how you might match it so I can frame it my reference.
Amy Babish: So when, when we were speaking in our Podcast, pre chat. You said, like, there's a lot of. Kind of, like, I'm on the cusp of things. I'm like, yeah, he's nodding his head because we're only audio, so you can't see it. There's no video here. So what comes through when I say it like this?
Mike: Well, I think I am on the precipice of a lot of different things. And when I think of this word, split, I'm thinking about, you know, I. I see myself on the nexus of a lot of different worlds. You know, I, prior to being with my husband, had never been with a man before. I never explored my homoerotic. I love him to death. And I think sexuality is so fluid now. And I really am so interested in opening those doors to that whole world and just helping people to understand who they are beyond labels and binaries.
Mike: And there's a musical coming out about our relationship this fall. It's come out before, but this is probably the biggest run that they're doing so far. And so it feels like this moment of also kind of bringing together my past and my future and allowing myself to. And maybe this is what you're speaking of. With splits, find a level of wholeness that feels more fluid, more adaptable, more vulnerable, and also more grounded. Because, of course, you know, people want to take this run with it in the way that serves them, which is wonderful. But sometimes I do feel that push and pull of confusion of, you know, project onto me. Wonderful.
Mike: But I don't want to feel the pressure of those projections anymore. I want to be so grounded in who I am that you can look at me, see what you need to see. Wonderful. That's for you. But I feel grounded in myself.
Amy Babish: Oh, this. Now we're getting. Now we're getting juicy. We're getting juicy. So when. When you. Because it's clear about your intention, and it sounds like maybe when some of those projections, you know, not all of them, but when some of them hit you become ungrounded. Yeah.
Amy Babish: Okay. So that would be. When we're in this layer of constellation work, we look towards, like, what has been happening. No matter what I do, I end up with this kind of experience. And it's like, fml. Like, I know myself. I know I can be grounded. Why does this happen? Like, it's.
Amy Babish: It can be frustrating. It can be like, what. What else can I do? Because I know I. I know I'm capable of being grounded. And this isn't for everyone, but for you. I can hear, like, you're Grounded in most other ways, in other. Other contexts. But this specific.
Amy Babish: The projection, the. The intersection of projection, that kind of goes sideways. It sounds like you didn't use that word, but that's what I'm feeling. You become ungrounded, and you want to have more wholeness, more vulnerability, and more groundedness, no matter what is being thrown at you.
Mike: Yeah, well, you know, it's. I just feel like sometimes there's lots of praise, and, of course, that's seductive. And there's the part of me, oh, I want to be this image that you have of me. Because, you know, and even with maybe social justice or progressiveness, people assume because of my story, because of the way I've navigated life, I am the expert in everything. I'm like, I not. Do not know everything. But I can find myself getting pulled into maybe allowing assumptions and then feeling a level of, oh, no, I have to live up to this image. Or, you know, people will say, your relationship is the perfect relationship.
Mike: Like, I don't know, we fight sometimes. Like, we are human. And so there's a way that I think any public. Big public Persona feels very scary to me because I want to maintain my level of vulnerability and authenticity in a way that feels grounded but also protected and safe. Like, feeling like I don't need to share everything and that I get to control what feels right to me.
Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah. This. Yes. So this is helpful. So it's like, I don't want to lose myself to people's ideals about me.
Mike: Yeah.
Amy Babish: I'm allowed to be me and navigate it with safety, with clarity and trust. Like, trust feels really important.
Mike: Yes. Yes.
Amy Babish: Okay, so we're going to go back, and I take notes during this process, because when we do. When we do alchemical constellations, the second we start the process, it's as if your ancestors are speaking for you. So they are your human words, and you are their descendant. And so when we kind of refine the intention, we're starting to almost sense who the entanglement is with. So it's like, instead of saying, like, oh, this is Mike stuff. Yes, it is. In your lived experience and with. With constellation work, the past is being brought into your lived experience.
Amy Babish: Not a hundred percent all the time, but when it comes to this piece around being praised and, you know, you mentioned that your. Your grandmother's very pious. When I think about, like, an idol or someone who has a lot of notoriety or a public Persona or a notable Persona, there's something about that in the lineage, that something, another kind of experience happened which maybe led to an ancestor feeling, I can't live up to this. And. And maybe they lost themselves and made different choices. So it's not apples for apples, but I can sense that it's very disorienting when you get into that place of like, questioning, you know, am I a fraud or can I do things differently? Like, you kind of lose yourself to the energy that's coming towards you. So with. With the intention, working with the.
Amy Babish: The unman, unmanifested energy and power and intention of your dad's side and being grounded true to yourself and really clear about safety and privacy no matter what the projection is, and that you're willing to work through whatever ancestor this is related to, work through and with anything else come through. As we kind of start to deepen.
Mike: And refine it, just that word trust keeps coming up for me. So whether that is trust in myself, my authenticity, my groundedness, the universe, maybe this integration of ancestors, like, somehow that word just feels important.
Amy Babish: Yeah, trust. Trust yourself. And it feels like as your whole self and your whole system, like, so we talk about the ancestral field, not just blood ancestors, but souls. Like, that's the systemic field that we each, each of us carries. So in your whole self and your systemic field. Okay, any questions before we go into the process? Or we're in the process, but deeper in the process?
Mike: Sure. I don't think so. I don't think I.
Amy Babish: Okay, so the next layer is what we call a tune in. And so when we tune in, the intention is kind of like when you're driving on the highway, the Jersey guardrails, the barriers that are like solid cement. We can't go outside that lane. So you carry much in your systemic field. You know a lot about your systemic field, but this is the specific highway that we're going to work with. And when we tune in, we just notice sensations. We notice. You might get images, you might get sounds, you might get words.
Amy Babish: And. And Mike is yawning as I name this. So there's already a gentle release starting to happen from somatic work. And it's. It's a big one. It's a big one. So we know that something's starting to unfreeze. Yawning is about unfreezing and somatic work.
Amy Babish: For those of you who don't know what I'm talking. I know Mike probably knows about that. So when you tune in, you're going to close your eyes, and I'll close my eyes too, and I will do a tune in. And I have a sense that you're going to get what you need. But if we need my tune in too, I'll also share that. So we'll go in for the first layer.
Mike: And just for my own clarity, am I asking or looking for something in particular? Am I naming what I see is there?
Amy Babish: So we're just. When we do the tune in, different things appear and come through for different people. Sometimes it's only sensation, and it will be whatever your ancestors want to share.
Mike: As the first layer, is it helpful to just kind of name what I'm expecting?
Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah, totally. A thousand percent. So.
Mike: A lot of light. I feel a piece of my body. I feel attention release in my lower left abdomen, kind of by my rib cage. I'm also feeling energy on my right side, around my neck on the right side, and going down into kind of my upper trapezius and shoulder region. I'm seeing a field like this grass and some wildflowers in the field. He looks calm, but maybe a little isolated or lonely. It almost feels like there's a world beyond this field, but it feels a little bit scary. Like there's something very stabilizing about staying the word that comes to me small and close.
Amy Babish: Yeah.
Mike: And I'm getting a little bit of like a. A buckling or a shaking in my knees now as I say that when my shoulders opening more, like it wants to come back. It wants to really. This region of my right shoulder into my kind of packed chest area is really starting to open. It feels like there's been compression there, and there's a lot of, like, opening on this side that wants. It almost feels like protecting my heart. Like it's been my heart.
Amy Babish: Yep. And when you feel like there might still be more, but when you feel like you're complete, we'll go into another layer.
Mike: Yeah, it feels complete. My neck just wants to keep turning towards the right, like really backwards. And there feels like something releasing care of my neck.
Amy Babish: Okay. So when. When we start this tune in, I use the. As a somatic practitioner, not every constellation facilitator does this, but as a somatic practitioner, I'm asking our. Your body to let you know, like, this is like a data point for which part of the lineage we're working with. And it feels like we're going to be working with your paternal. But we kind of do checks and balances to make sure this is the best modality, this is the best process. So the next question we're going to ask is you're going to bring your maternal line or we're just your mom.
Amy Babish: We're going to bring your mom behind your left shoulder and your. Your dad behind your right shoulder. And we're going to ask each of them, do you carry this kind of entanglement of being ungrounded or feeling like you can't live up to people's projections or feeling like you have to change to live up to them? Losing yourself? Going to ask, do you carry this? And then we ask the second question is, did this start with you?
Mike: I definitely. My neck is moving, so I think you can see that. Yes. So there is movement towards my right side, towards my dad's side of things. It did not start with him.
Amy Babish: Okay. So because you mentioned your grandmother, your paternal grandmother, we're also. Sometimes we. There's different ways that we can go into the field. It feels important that you now, your mom can kind of be in the field with us, but behind your dad, we're going to place your grand. Your grandparents, your paternal grandparents. So his mom will stand behind his. His left shoulder and his dad will stand behind his right shoulder.
Amy Babish: And so then you're going to ask them, do you carry this? And did it start with you?
Mike: I'm getting movement slower, but towards my left side. So this feels like his mother.
Amy Babish: Yeah.
Mike: No, it didn't start with her.
Amy Babish: Okay. And so what I'm sensing is that the resource is going to be really important. And so sometimes what we do is we go through every layer and we find out exactly who we're standing with. I'm going to give you the choice for this. So we could continue to go back on the line and see exactly who the ancestor is or the other way of doing this. And it's very person, client, dependent, is that we can ask Ash, your systemic field. Ash, your paternal systemic field. Can you take me back to the lifetime and the ancestor who this started with? So which one feels more resonant for you?
Mike: The latter probably feels more resonant.
Amy Babish: Yeah, I could feel that. So when we do that, sometimes it's an image again, sometimes it's sensation. And the ancestor might show up at a different age. So sometimes it's whatever point in their life that this was significant is what oftentimes happens. And when we're in this lifetime, it will feel probably more intense than what you feel right now. And then we're going to do a check and balance. And so we won't stay there, we're going to do another check. And then if that's the accurate part of the lineage, we'll come back to it and I'll guide you through it.
Amy Babish: Okay. So you just ask paternal lineage. Can you take me to the ancestor and the part of history where this started in my lineage?
Mike: So everyone listening, my neck dropped, and I immediately went to the right. And I'm stretching, so it feels like I keep moving. I just keep hearing, like, a line of powerful women who've been repressed.
Amy Babish: Wow. I feel. I feel that when you say it. So. So we can ask. We can ask the powerful women. We can say, you know, I'm here to not just help myself, but I'm really here to help the system of field, and especially I'm holding in my heart your descendant, my grandmother. And for me to help myself and help her and help all of you.
Amy Babish: It would be great if you could take me to the point in history and this powerful line of women where this started and what it's about.
Mike: I don't have one that's arrowed, but I hear, like, the Straggieri witchcraft, trust, magic is coming up.
Amy Babish: That was important. So you said something about magic.
Mike: Yeah, Etruscan magic.
Amy Babish: Oh, okay. Etruscan magic. Yep. I feel that. And so we can say to them, was it one of you, or was it all of you in that lineage during the ancient times.
Mike: There'S one person coming up because it says, remember her? And I'm saying, okay.
Amy Babish: And so we're going to ask if she can show you what was happening in her lifetime. And in constellation work, we're looking for either something that was omitted, something that was denied. It might be a tragedy. It might be something that was, you know, horrific. So there's something that happened to her, around her, where she. She paid a high price.
Mike: I'm hearing rape.
Amy Babish: Okay. And can you say to her in your own way, in your own words, as your descendant, I help people through things, very complex things about, you know, their power and their magic and their sexuality. And I've worked with many people who've been raped.
Mike: I don't know exactly what's happening, but my neck just turns straight forward. And I heard she's here.
Amy Babish: She's here. Okay. Okay. And did you speak in your own way to her or you're waiting for her?
Mike: I just told her what you said, and she kind of came to the forefront.
Amy Babish: Yeah. She feels like she needs to know that you, as someone who's in a male body, understand some of the complexity that she carries. That feels really important and that you. You really understand the different facets of what she was navigating. It might not be 100% but that you can compassionately, in a grounded way, really understand it. That feels very important for.
Mike: Just for a call to tell her that even though I didn't consciously know her, I love her. And that she has informed my call to do this work.
Amy Babish: Yeah.
Mike: And that my life, in some ways, feels like a vindication, a rebalancing of power, a making right what she has carried through our lineage.
Amy Babish: Yeah. And you can say, I am clear that your gifts live in me.
Mike: I'm clear that your gifts love in me.
Amy Babish: And if it feels true, it sounds like it's true about your grandmother. I can see it skipped a generation with my grandmother. And then if it feels true about your dad, I don't. We didn't get into talking about your dad, but it might have skipped two generations. You might see it in an aunt or an uncle or a cousin, but you can reflect back to her. These are the places I see remnants of your gifts. They weren't forgotten.
Mike: She's telling me they wanted to take my power.
Amy Babish: They want to take your power.
Mike: They wanted to take my power.
Amy Babish: They wanted to take. Yes. They wanted to take her power. Yeah. So we can say to her, I'm also carrying. I'm also carrying that lived experience. People want to take my power too, sometimes. They want to take my essence, my mindness, my complexity, my nuance, my love story, my magic, my humanity, my imperfections.
Mike: She's telling me she had to protect her vulnerability because that's what people use to take from them.
Amy Babish: Yeah. And you can say to her, the protections you set up around your own heart live in me. And I might be carrying more than my share of worry when it comes to people wanting to take from me.
Mike: I just keep hearing my strength is your strength.
Amy Babish: Yeah. So it feels like we have a clear sense of what was going on for her. And what we do in the consolation, in this kind of constellation process is that the next layer is that we're going to bring in a resource for her. And so the resource can really be anything. And she's very clear. So she might know exactly what resource that was not available during the ancient Etruscan times. But it, it's literally anything. It could be the goddess, it could be land, it can be a sacred tree, it could be a planet, it could be herbs, it could be whatever she, she.
Amy Babish: She knows that this, this is what. What she needed that she didn't have access to. And we're going to ask that resource to come behind her. And you're facing her.
Mike: She's showing me a Wreath, Vervain.
Amy Babish: Yep.
Mike: And she's placing it on her head, taking off her dress. And it's a full moon, and she's going into the water.
Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah.
Mike: You can see the moonlight in the water, and she's starting to swim in it.
Amy Babish: And. And you can give her permission. She knows how to do this. If it's a ceremony or a ritual, and it can be for her before even the rape happened, or if she's. If she's very clear that the rape was part of what her story was, it can be a healing ritual or ceremony. After the rape.
Mike: She just rose from the water and said to me, find the place where the power cannot be taken. That's the real power.
Amy Babish: And does she feel like she has her safe power back?
Mike: She said she's with the goddess now.
Amy Babish: Yeah, she's with the Goddess and the. She has safe. Safe vulnerability. Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to invite, if she's okay with it, we're going to invite the entire lineage to come into an expansive, moonlit, naked experience in the waters and the healing waters with the goddess and this ancient ancestor. And we can invite. And it feels really important, your grandmother's soul.
Amy Babish: And if she needs to have a Virgin Mary there, God bless her, she can be there, too. So whatever will make it congruent for grandma, for Nona, we'll invite. We'll invite her to come to have this healing before she dies.
Mike: I see Nona taking off her clothes and coming up from the water with a childlike joy and saying, I'm pure.
Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mike: I am sinless.
Amy Babish: Yeah.
Mike: I am powerful.
Amy Babish: Yeah. And we can ask that ancient ancestor and the goddess to speak to the whole lineage and say whatever. Whatever she needs to, but to clear it up from her, all the way down to you, the truth of who you are, no matter what is happening, no matter how enticing or sensational the projections are or how much people want to take power. Yeah.
Mike: She showed me, like, the water can be a little choppy up top. And then she's just saying, go deeper. Swim deeper. All of that is just noise. So much deeper. Showing me how to find stillness deep within.
Amy Babish: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That. It.
Mike: Just showing me something with my body. Like this. Holding yourself up. And it's the same sink, let go. Power doesn't come from holding up. Power comes from letting go. Place of power.
Amy Babish: Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
Mike: She's showing me this pressure of rising up and holding. And she said, no, no, no. Drop. Let it all down.
Amy Babish: You could ask her if it feels true. To say surrender. Surrender to the flow of life. Surrender to the flow of the goddess. Surrender to the flow of the powerful women who live in you. Yes, to the magic.
Mike: She's saying the. The expectations and the righteousness. It holds upper like a attention up here. And she's showing me like this drop.
Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah. And the tension in our necks, in our back body that is related to self righteousness and betrayal. And so she's giving you, I can tell, an epigenetic, energetic, spiritual soul level recalibration that you can be in your mikeness, you can be this multifaceted, incredible human being who's very human without being in holding up a righteousness that you can walk both magically and humbly as, as your true self. That was a huge moment. What can you. Can you let us know what was happening?
Mike: As I mentioned dropping, I. My body started sinking more and more and first I felt my belly kind of give out and so I was just kind of slouching. And then my head and shoulders kind of drew inward and almost fetal position where I was really compacted. And it felt a stillness for a while and then it kind of exploded out. And so my left and right, both my arms kind of shot out to the sides. I leaned backwards with my head back and just saw light. And I exhaled for, I don't know, maybe 20 to 30 seconds. And then I just kind of sat back up and it was done.
Amy Babish: Okay, we have one more layer. So that was a big ritual that they gave you, a really big. I would say it was a healing transmission. There are different ways to name that. So to help kind of close out the loop, we're going to go back in with one more layer. And there's a big yawn when I. When I name that. So we can imagine that you are facing from your parents.
Amy Babish: And then you don't have to know all the, all the names or all the faces, but we're going to invite that whole line of your paternal, maternal lineage with the women of all the, you know, all the women, the daughters, the wives, the grandmas, the nonnas. We want to invite all of them that go all the way up to your grandmother. So you're going to see your grandmother there too, your paternal grandmother. And so they're all going to be facing you. And the goddess is behind the moonlight. Moonlight is behind that ancestor has the vervain wreath on her head. The crown, Vervain crown. It's very important.
Amy Babish: She's like, amy, say it, what it is. It's a vervain Crown and the waters are there. Yeah. And so you're going to say to your lineage in your own Mike way, I see that I come from astounding women who were previously repressed and tortured and made wrong and bad for their sexuality and their magic and their complexity. It. And then when you're ready, you're going to go to your ancient ancestor, the one that. That you've been entangled with, and you're going to say to her, I take my life back from you. Now I see that you're taken care of and free and that you're truly with the goddess.
Amy Babish: I take my life back with. From you with gratitude and humility and all of my myness and all of my magic and my deep stillness and the deep groundedness that you've given me. All of that lives in me. It. And then we're going to come to your grandma and the whole lineage is still behind you. The goddess is there, the waters are there. And if it feels right, you can ask the lineage to place a verbain crown on her head, and you can express your gratitude to her and the things that her human might not be able to tolerate, but that you can say to her soul that she can receive this before she dies and let all the love and the wholeness and the magic in from the back of her heart through the entire line of powerful women that she comes from. So they are supporting her and that she receives whatever support and ease and grace and even mercy that her soul needs before she dies, and blessings they're telling me, and miracles that she can complete this life with peace and harmony and love and wholeness whenever it's her time.
Amy Babish: And you can say to her, I know so much unmanifested energy and power lived in you that you couldn't access in this lifetime. But I see all the power and energy that lives in the women that came before you. And me as your grandson, it lives in me, too. And you can say to her, I take my life back from you and your legacy, and all of these women's legacy will live on in me and in my life's work, in my sexuality, in the wholeness of my sexuality and the wholeness of my energy and power and the deep stillness that I will carry no matter what. And then we're going to come to your dad, and whatever you need to say to your dad, whatever has been unspoken, whatever can't be said in a human context with real words or a letter, you can say it to him in this moment, whatever it is about the unmanifested energy and power or about stillness. And if the ancestors, those women, want to also give to him, they can give to him a resource, or perhaps these resources are also for him. And whenever that's complete, you'll say to your dad also, thank you for giving me life. I now take my life back from you and I'm ready to live with all the unmanifested energy and power with deep intention from your lineage that you gave me.
Amy Babish: I carry the magic, the sexuality, the roaring crown, the deep healing waters with deep stillness that goes deep, deep, deep, with surrender, groundedness. And I carry the moonlight and the goddess into this life that I'm co creating, this legacy that I'm creating. And I carry the trust and self trust that was denied from the powerful women in our lineage. It lives in me now. And if there's anything else you want to name with them or say to them, you can say, I'll carry you with me and I'll continue to connect with you, or I will make a commitment to prioritizing our connection. Whatever feels authentic. And when you're done, just let me know. So how are you?
Mike: Peace.
Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So neither you nor I knew we were going here exactly. We didn't know exactly. How was this for you?
Mike: Beautiful. Soft and gentle.
Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah. And a question that's coming to mind. You can say pass. Amy, you're someone who's done a lot of plant medicine, and that's a question that comes up for a lot of people that work with me. How does this compare for you as someone who's done, you know, your. Your fair share of plant medicine. How does this process compare to some of the ancestral work you've done with. With the plant medicine?
Mike: It's a good question. I would say this feels a bit gentler and softer than some of the work I've done in the past. Depends on the plant, of course.
Amy Babish: Yes, of course.
Mike: Personality. But I would say it's interesting. Vervain came in. I have some. So I will be. Later today. I'll put some of my water. But yeah, it's a.
Mike: That's a plant in particular that I. I have had a relationship with. It's a plant that tends to, interestingly enough, like the shoulder, neck, upper back region. It tends to be a very stiff, perfectionist plant. And it's one that actually has a long lineage of not just supernatural or spiritual mythology, but also ancient Rome and before. It's something that soldiers used to put in their boots before battle.
Amy Babish: Yeah, yeah. So, you know, my. My thought as this podcast reaches more people, is that I'm not someone who's pro or against plant medicine. It's just that this. This way of working is very potent. And, you know, we probably were in a deep process for about 40 minutes, and you're still going to have integration work to do. Not the same as plant medicine, but it will be a lot more gentle and accessible on your system overall. And it's helpful when I have guests who have that lived experience to kind of help people to understand, like, where does this fall? How does it compare and contrast? And my hope is that people can really see that this is another option for something that's really meaningful.
Amy Babish: And you don't have to do many, many layers. Some people have to do a good amount of layers, but you don't have to do a lot of layers to get to something in a very short amount of time.
Mike: Yeah, I'd say, you know, it depends on the plant, of course. You know, things like, I've never done ayahuasca, but psilocybin, things like that can be a little more intense. This feels soft and gentle and a little bit easier to integrate.
Amy Babish: Yeah. And in some people's system, because they're in recovery or they're just. They can't because of a security clearance or, you know, whatever. Different things. This is a really meaningful and accessible way to do lineage work that doesn't, you know, you don't need any substances. We're substance free in this conversation. I. I said, like, we're just gonna.
Amy Babish: We're just gonna come and show up. We have water. Both of us have water. So for people who are asking, like, how does this work? It is in the systemic field. And Mike has very clearly done an immense amount of personal work to be able to access this so deeply. And I have enough podcast episodes of people seeing different kinds of guests who have different levels of lived experience with their ancestral field, with their bodies, with their own knowing, with their own wisdom. So it's always a very personal process. But I am so grateful that you're here as a cisgendered man who is doing the work, who is really clear about, you know, just.
Amy Babish: Even. Even with your maternal line coming through as ancient witches, ancient Etruscan witches, it's hard for me to get it out of Invisalign. There's just such a. To me, that's such a balm for listeners given the context that we're in. We're recording this in early March 2025, and so much projection, so many stories about cisgendered white bodied men. Even though you're not quote unquote straight, you're passing, you're passing, right? So that more men than people can imagine want to do this work, who want to liberate their, their own lives, their lineages and the collective. And I really see that in you and I'm deeply grateful for that. And for people who feel really hopeless and terrified right now.
Amy Babish: There's going to be an equal and opposite way through all of this. And it starts with our personal work. And I just can't thank you enough for all the work you've done before you met me and for this layer today. And yeah, it feels really important to presence that.
Mike: You know, I really just open my heart and take that in. I really, really, really thank you. You know, my personal work is of course important to me and I do feel an obligation to take my fortunes and privileges and do something with them and support them. But what I didn't tap into until today in this session was how much helping my grandmother, my Nonna, to pass and to find peace in herself. And I can feel the self judgment and criticism that she feels within herself. And I know she's not ready to have a conversation about it, she's not ready to go there, but she's holding on. And I think she's holding on because she knows she has stuff to do. And I just am grateful for whatever part in the process this was able to do to really ease her process.
Mike: And so you've given me such a gift today.
Amy Babish: Thank you very much. And I don't often talk about my own lineage, but I'm also part of my lineage is Italian American and I come from quote unquote, very pious people who are very conflicted. And my mom is called Nona for my daughter. And then I grew up with a Nona and I, I'm from Sicilian witches who were long forgotten. So I definitely feel like that was. It's important to name that because which is stretch and Nonna are like really legit and like they're like we're not going to just talk to anybody. So I am deeply grateful that my ancestors probably helped them to feel safe enough to work with me and you today. So that feels important to present that, that there's not always an apples for apples experience between the ancestors in this blood lineage that I'm in.
Amy Babish: But that feels really important to presence that the witches that live in my lineage really understand the hardship of the Etruscan which, which was and of the pious descendants who had to Forget the magic, who had to obliterate and deny the magic and the sexuality and the power. So I deeply bow to all, all of the women and all of the lineages that were repressed. And many, many listeners, no matter what their gender is, come from lineages of women who were repressed and tortured and raped and made so small to survive. So thank you, thank you, thank you. Is there anything else you want to ask before we close up or name before we close up?
Mike: Just deep gratitude for you and for the miracle of life and all of the. The web of life just feels like there's a beautiful world around me, interweaving and connecting. And I'm just really grateful.
Amy Babish: I'm so grateful, Mike. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And to those of you who are listening, if you would like to do an alchemical constellation with me, we do a 90 minute session. We get really clear on the intention beforehand. That's a 20 minute call. And then we leave time for a lot of integration and you get a week of follow up with me support. And so many miracles can unfold in 90 minutes. You can go to my website to sign up for that.
Amy Babish: And if you're considering it and you're a little bit like not sure, we can always do a 20 minute conversation beforehand without commitment for the 90 minute session, just to double check that it's the right match for you. And if you're listening and you're like, oh, I work with you, Amy, or I'm not there yet, you can always leave a review for this podcast and share this podcast and subscribe to this podcast because more people need to know that incredible healing and miracles and just blessings can unfold when we are in the systemic field and doing the work. Until we meet again. Thank you, thank you, thank you for joining us and listening and I'll see you in the next episode. Episode. That's all for this episode of the Soulful Visionary Podcast. If you found value in today's episode and are ready to delve deeper into aligning your inner world and environment, please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast platform. Your subscription helps us to reach more soulful visionaries like yourself.
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