Home Office Feng Shui for Entrepreneurs w/ Kylie Patchett
“I feel so grateful for this space. It feels like you’ve given me so many things I can do on a practical level that will nourish me as I move through my business.”
Today I’m joined by a colleague and probably a lifelong friend, Kylie Patchett! She's coming to us from the other side of the world—Queensland, Australia!
More specifically from her brand new home office. Just wait until you hear her describe this gorgeous place!
Kylie—who’s known for her way with words—and I begin the conversation in an unexpected, but very intentional way.
Beyond that, you’ll learn why Kylie made me cry, how to anchor intentions into a new space, the best co-creators for home offices, and how to factor in seasons of life (like perimenopause) into Feng Shui for the home.
We also take a little side adventure into the 5 Element Theory of Traditional Chinese Medicine.
You’ll especially want to tune into this client session if you, too:
» love a good routine
» have separate office in the home
» want to feel grounded, calm, and rested
» have already done loads of healing work
» are ready to lean into only that which is best for you
» are highly sensitive to noise and crave solo quiet time
Topics covered in this podcast episode:
The magic that Kylie shares with the world
The house therapy tip Kylie used (that worked) even before this podcast
Why it’s so important to build that relationship with your home and the land
How to anchor in an intention into a new space
What shui steps Kylie has already taken for her home office
Why intentions set for a home office must be in 3D physical form
The land ceremony Kylie did and what happened as a result
What stone medicine Amy recommends for Kylie’s home office
What you need to know about spaces with any kind of glass
What could be at play in your home if you find it’s hard for you to “turn off”
An intro into 5 Element Theory of Traditional Chinese Medicine
How you can factor in seasons of life like Perimenopause into Feng Shui for the home
Why perimenopause and menopause are considered “a kidney moment”
How much art Kylie will be shopping for
The Tarot cards Amy pulled for Kylie’s session and what they reveal
Some of the ways Kylie can incorporate Shui that’s hidden in plain sight in her office
What it means in ancestral work if you feel like it taps into both maternal and paternal lines
How to anchor intentions in with houseplants
Sending infinite blessings and gratitude to you for listening and to Kylie for joining me and unabashedly sharing her house therapy and Feng Shui journey thus far!
If you enjoyed this conversation—you can find me on Kylie’s podcast very soon for even more.
Don’t forget to rate and review the podcast so we can reach more people and create more impact in this world. Until we meet again, take gentle care.
Resources:
The Upper Clarity Crystal Shop
Abby Lane Holistic Design: Instagram | Website
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Meet: Kylie Patchett
Kylie Patchett is a proudly neurosparkly, natural-born status-quo challenger who is uber-passionate about partnering with the disruptors, rebels and revolutionaries of the world to help them catalyse their raw potential into their full potency through voice + visibility alchemy. .
Her work with disruptors combines the practical of brand, copy and content storytelling with deep energy, mindset and somatic medicine to dissolve visibility, receivership and worthiness barriers.
In over three decades of marketing, communications, and leadership across medical science, non-profits, and entrepreneurship, she's been the secret weapon behind some of the boldest and most unapologetic brands and guided 100s of women to reclaim their power and create lives and businesses that embody their deepest, truest desires.
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Amy Babish: Welcome to the Soulful Visionary Podcast. I'm your host, Amy Babish and today we have a colleague and probably someone who might become a lifelong friend, Kylie Patchett. And I'm going to introduce her with her bio and we're going to get it, we're going to get into it. So she's coming to us from the other side of the world. The other side of the other side of the world. I'll show you. So Kylie Patchett is a proudly neurosparkly natural born, status quo challenger who is uber passionate about partnering with disruptors, rebels and revolutionaries of the world to help them catalyze their raw potential into their full potency through voice and visibility alchemy. Her work with disruptors combines the practical of brand, copy and and content storytelling with deep energy, mindset and somatic medicine to dissolve visibility, receivership and worthiness barriers.
Amy Babish: In over three decades of marketing, communications and leadership across medical science, nonprofits and entrepreneurship, she's been the secret weapon behind some of the boldest and most unapologetic brands and guided hundreds of women to reclaim their power and create lives and businesses that embody their deepest, truest desires. Welcome in Kylie. Like, I feel my voice is becoming so like potent just even saying your bio.
Kylie Patchett: Do you know what? I'm having a complete out of body experience because I have been binging on this podcast and now I'm like inside of this podcast. I'm like, what is happening? It's so exciting. Thank you for having me.
Amy Babish: Thank you. We're as one of my community members who is in Pakistan, she has said to me recently in a WhatsApp message, she said, you know, you're coming into my dreams and you're showing me that time is really not real. I don't know what's happening in your personal life or on your podcast, but I think that you're showing me that the past is in the present and the present is in the past. And we're all just here. So we have that nugget to presence in.
Kylie Patchett: You're going job done, Tick. Yes.
Amy Babish: And here, here we are together in the. In the time space continuum. Would you like to share before we get dive deep into your intention? Where can people find you? What are your offers? What's in the mix with you?
Kylie Patchett: Oh my goodness. I feel like there is a major new download in process of happening, so I'll speak to that in a second. But you can find me@kpcreative.com and the creative is with a K, so that confuses the heck out of people. But anyway, if you just put in my name, you'll find me. Currently I have. So I've got a few activations that are beautiful, like introductions to my world. So one is based on voice invisibility. So that's called scene.
Kylie Patchett: Who was like this magical divine download last November, it was just like, okay, yes, that's what we are doing. So that's actually kind of the start of me putting the two sides of me together. I feel like I kind of like came out with all of the magic rather than just the practical stuff. Then there's one that I just ran called Paid, which is all around wealth and worth activation and specifically for those paradigm shifting folks that like we always the ones going first. Right. Which is by definition scary and isolating potentially and you know, brings up a lot of that sort of like, can I really be paid to do this? Is this even possible? And then I have a mastermind called Potent, which will be open again in June, but that I'm like taking applications at the moment. And what is coming through really strongly is I like running like short and sharp. And that's why I call them activations.
Kylie Patchett: It's like the waking up of this and the next one is all about being magnetic. So all about the art of elegant storytelling. So rather than just copywriting, which I just, my whole body just wants to go vanilla. I know that that's not the definition of copywriting, but you know, that's what my body does. Whereas storytelling, like when I had my Potent call yesterday, I'm like, you're not getting to the, to the heart of this. Like you're telling me the thing you do, but you're not sharing with me, the magic that happens with this person from before and during and after you work with them, like, that's the storytelling juice. Right. So Magnetic will be all about that.
Kylie Patchett: And then the bigger program that is coming through on the back end of that is called Her Story. So it's all about teaching women like us how to, like, understand and appreciate the golden thread that runs through our lives that leads us inexplicably, explicably, to the, you know, the legacy work we're meant to be doing and how to share that with the world in a way that feels like you're. You're shining your soul out without sacrificing, like, your scruples or your values or your. Yeah, like all that salesy hypey shit that we don't want to do. So that's a very long answer. But anyway, you'll find all that at my website.
Amy Babish: And just. And I'm hearing. I'm hearing some questions in the. In this. In the field. So I have some listeners in my community who, you know, they are expanding their leadership in a more traditional field, I would say. Are those people matches for Magnetic? Absolutely.
Kylie Patchett: Because I. In my mind, this is not just an entrepreneurial skill because storytelling is how we. Like. I've been using storytelling, like, I was a forensic biologist in my first career, like a million years ago in the time space continuum that you're just talking about. And I used to lecture in a master's program in forensic biology. I was using storytelling then. Like, storytelling is an art that if you understand how to do it, it's this way of connecting heart to heart, but it's also a way of helping someone to anchor to information that they don't already know. So I reckon it's a life skill, not just an entrepreneurial skill or not just a coaching, like, you know, not just a paradigm shifter skill.
Kylie Patchett: Everybody needs this skill.
Amy Babish: And the other nuance I'm also hearing is I have a lot of people who do DEI work, which is now a taboo word in America.
Kylie Patchett: Oh, I just. What's the heck? Yeah.
Amy Babish: So would they be a match for you? Helping them to find the way to hold the essence of the integrity of their work in finding other wordsmithing.
Kylie Patchett: Words. Yes.
Amy Babish: To get to the bottom of it. Yeah. Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: And I feel like that is the key. It's the wordsmithing. Because I feel like wherever we are in the world and whatever we've been doing in work, we. We do, like it or not, or at least in my perspective, get a little bit conditioned to the way that things are talked about and the language and etc. And when you can set yourself free outside of those boxes and. Exactly. Wordsmithing, like, to me, words, like, sometimes they're very. Like, they're not very helpful with describing this nebulous gorgeousness that a lot of us do because they're limited in some ways, but they're what we have.
Kylie Patchett: So it's like wordsmithing, and it's like weaving a connection in a picture. Like, that's how I see words. So, again, anyone, particularly if you want to be breaking out of the box of the way that it's always been spoken about, because it's not meeting your, you know, your audience at the heart level. Like, some of these words are so like, you read a corporate website and you're like, I want to take a shower.
Amy Babish: Yes. And the last. The last I'm hearing just so many different things, like, ask her this.
Kylie Patchett: Ask her this.
Amy Babish: So many people that see me also are rewriting their own love story. Although, do you have an offer for that?
Kylie Patchett: Oh, I do not. But my. Oh, my entire back body just went.
Amy Babish: So it just feels like that might be a potential place because in the realm of, like, this is the life I chose and I was happy with it. But then the questions asked around, why aren't you married? Or why don't you want kids? Or why don't you have kids? Or those kind of questions. I feel like you would be really magic at. So I didn't know we were going this way in the. In the beginning of our conversation, but this feels really important because I know my community and I know my people, and I think you'd be a really wonderful resource for them with words.
Kylie Patchett: So do you know what? You just gave me a massive universal wink. Because overnight, I often will start dreaming in a stream of, like, words and writing copy. And sometimes I'm just like, dudes, okay, just. Can we turn this off for a second, please? Because you know, this perimenopausal woman needs her sleep. Yeah, last night I was. Because I. When I'm talking to clients about writing to their clients, I'm always saying, write love notes.
Amy Babish: Like, stop writing.
Kylie Patchett: Copy. Write love notes. And my intention is always to teach people the skills that they can actually craft, like copy and content, even that I don't like those words. But copy and content, that actually creates an emotional response in them. But I kept on having this thing dropping, like, love notes. Love notes and lollipops. Love notes. And, like, just playing with the alliteration.
Kylie Patchett: I'm like, love Notes is not what? Magnetic? Like there's not. I don't know. But maybe Love Notes is something completely different. Thank you.
Amy Babish: And I'm hearing. I'm hearing a la Stevie Nick's love. Love. Love notes or Love Letters and lace.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: Oh, okay, so we'll see. It just. We're just putting in the. In the ether.
Kylie Patchett: I love it, I love it, I love it. That's my husband's favorite artist, by the way. Steven. So you're just like another universal wink. Thank you. Yes.
Amy Babish: Okay, so we're gonna come back to you and how I can be of service to you today. What is your intention for our work together today?
Kylie Patchett: Well, I have after. So I started my first entrepreneurial trip around the flagpole in 2011. And ever since then I have been craving having a separate office to my home. And I've played around with different things. Like I've rented spaces. I've, you know, all of those things. Anyway, since April 2024, we have been waiting for a builder to come just to put a massive door and window in the room that I am now currently in. So I live in country Queensland, like midd of, like a little tiny country town.
Kylie Patchett: We've got this massive big barn and on the side of the barn is this little tiny. It was like just another shed. Right. Storage shed. And now my beautiful husband and the builder have finally, so excited, finished this beautiful space. So when we started talking, I was like, could you help me to situate myself here in a way that feels like, delicious? I mean, I've got a good start because what I'm looking out to isn't enormous, big locust tree. So that's what I wanted. Like, I wanted to be in amongst the garden.
Kylie Patchett: That was my desire. Yeah. So I've like, we. We've finished everything. The building is finished. The floors are down and everything. The, you know, the, The. The.
Kylie Patchett: The wall behind me is painted. And then that's about where I stopped because I was like, I need some help here because I really want. I have a high desire for solo quiet time. Like, I, I'm. I'm really finding that my noise, sensory stuff is getting like, more and more, you know, I'm like, I just need some quiet. So this is. I want it to feel like a sanctuary. And already it does.
Kylie Patchett: Because how amazing is it to walk outside of your house and do a transition to when you're in your office? Like, that feels delicious. But yeah, that was my main intention, just to like, yeah, settle on in and have your, yeah, Feng shui. And I was, I think, like to, to add to the conversation when I, when we first started chatting, I had said to you, I did. I, I've been waiting for like eight months for a builder to come, right. And like it's only like a, it.
Amy Babish: Was like a three hour job to.
Kylie Patchett: Do the things that we couldn't do. And, and I had said to you at the time, like, I finally just went over to this building when it was just empty, like it was, you know, just wood like everywhere. And just said, I'm like, I'm. I'm your friend. Like the magic that we will create together. And I'm just like, that's the sort of juice that I've gotten from listening to you. It's like you can, you know, have a relationship with land and space and rooms and. Yeah, so that was.
Kylie Patchett: And then the next day the builder turned up. So bang, bang, Amy does her magic.
Amy Babish: I remember that I was like, I always, you know, people don't see on the other side of a screen, but I was weeping with celebration and joy just that your land felt so heard, your home felt heard, your garden felt heard, and the future sanctuary is like, I'm here for you already. So. Yeah. Yeah, okay, so we're gonna, we're gonna dial up the knob because you're already, you already. You already are here. So what. What would you like to anchor in? So Shui really is really about. Like, this is.
Amy Babish: Yes, we use your space, but the space is just another way of. It's like another partner, another family member. So it's in this, in this. It's like your, your co. Facilitator for your business. So if you were having an OBM meeting or a CEO meeting, what are your goals? What are your intentions?
Kylie Patchett: I feel like as you're talking, I just want to be more and more in my genius zone and let everything else fall away. I feel like I've got a lot of. Have a tendency to. Just because I can, I do things rather than like asking that, like, is this juicy for me? Does this feel delicious for me? And I'm on this real. Like, I feel like, because we're going into autumn, like it's very hot still here in Queensland. Like it's we in a hot climate, but I can feel the tiny little breeze of autumn. So I'm feeling this like, oh, I want to turn in and I want to, I want to anchor down and I want to like gather that harvest and also just allow all the things that are naturally Coming to an end, you know, business wise, to just allow them to fall away and compost and, you know, fertile ground for the next whatever. And yeah, so I think my, my intentions are to just keep leaning into what I am naturally good at.
Kylie Patchett: That feels really nourishing to me because I know that that nourishment for me translates into what I put out in the world. And so that's more nourishing for my clients. And then that ripples out. And I do feel like the first couple of months of this year have been very stop start. I turned 50 in January, so I've had lots of like little mini holidays, which has been lovely. But I also am like quite a lover of routine, so I'm, I am ready to ground down. And I'm also in the middle of writing a book, which, you know, has been very stop start as well. Right.
Kylie Patchett: So I'm just like, ground get back into routine. Yeah, I, I don't know if I've answered that question.
Amy Babish: Yes, you have. You, you've done, you've done so amazingly. So for the listeners, most people come to shway because they have something that they want and it's been evasive or elusive or they've been in someone else who has been swayed or office that's been swayed. And like, you know, it's like, tell me, tell me, who's your designer? Like, what'd you buy? Like, what's the stockist? And it's not that. So I was telling Kylie before we got on that I did happen to see her Instagram story, which was her night, which was my morning early today, and I was celebrating. She is already in command. So that would have been the first note. No matter how big or small your office is, you want your, your desk to be in command.
Amy Babish: And you. We already have that, so we don't have to go through that. We don't have to go into that detail. So when we start to talk about, you know, wanting to be in your zone of genius, one of the things that I would recommend is that you have when you, when you're opening the door, you have something that is representative of where you're headed. So it's like, it can be a metaphor, something that only you know about. But usually it's artwork, sometimes it's a quote, sometimes it's a sculpture or weaving or wall hanging, but something that's like, oh, this represents. Yeah, I am fully dialed up in my zone of genius with routine. With my published book, you can anchor it all into one.
Amy Babish: But when we're working when we're co creating with your home and your office.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: The more it can be in, in physical matter, the more the house and the, and the office are gonna be with you in it. So yes, spoken word is super important. We're gonna get into some spoken word things. But even for people who are like, oh, I can never put that out in my space, it can be hidden in plain sight. It just needs to be in, in a 3D form so you can think about like, it might be something that like, oh, this is, it might be like these are the amount of people that I'm going to be on stage speaking. It might be like, oh, this is a picture of me and my team celebrating my book launch. Like it, it can be a metaphor, but you want to start to like, let that come in not only to your unconscious, but into the energetic fabric of your space.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah. As you're talking, what is coming to me? So clearly I work a lot with the Empress and I always have like, oh no, no, that's not true. I haven't always. From the beginning of last year, I was asking for some sort of archetypal anchor for a, for a year of really coming into myself and what I was here to do after because I had a break in between my two lots. So I had a lot of like, you know, you screwed up the first time I could close my business down and it wasn't actually business related. Something else happened in my personal life. So I just really wanted to like, you know, really take my space again. And now when I journey with her, she shows me this like emerald green like water source and this huge waterfall, like way, way more like long and deep.
Kylie Patchett: And everything is like, you know, something like the biggest waterfall you've ever seen. But I always have this like feeling of like, you know, gaining my wings and like being able to like fly down the front of the waterfall. I'm like, I could find something that helps me to anchor that into my space because that to me is, you know, my highest value is freedom. So that, you know, self expression and bringing my gifts to the world and not doing stuff just because I should is freedom to me. So then that's the, that's what. Yeah, that's what come came to my mind straight away.
Amy Babish: And, and as we're, as you're naming that, what I'm also hearing is it. It seems really important that we Presence the land that you're on. So I'll let you Presence the land, the indigenous wisdom keepers of the land because they're they're definitely a part of what's happening.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I did. We did a land ceremony. I'm not sure if I said that to you with the shunga in the corners.
Amy Babish: Oh, I think you might have, but maybe we just had each other in the. In the mystery, because I don't remember the concrete, but. Please share.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah. So I think it was you that. I'm sure that that was something that I had read or heard you saying about. And I'd just been feeling like. Because I, you know, little farming community, but also very aware that that would have been a taking of the land from indigenous people. Like just a. You know, so lots and lots of. Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: Disrespect and dishonoring. And I just wanted to. Yeah, I just wanted to come into communion with the land much more. And so funny. I can't remember what date it was, but it was on a. I think full moon or one of them, you know, one of the. Either new or full. Can't remember now, but anyway, I just love that my husband is always down for any of my.
Kylie Patchett: He's, like, out there with the spade, you know, digging the hole, and I'm doing my little ceremony. He's like. And our daughter comes out. She's like, what's mom doing? He's like, I don't know. Some sort of witchies dying. I really know. But, you know, I love that he's always down for it.
Amy Babish: He's always down for it. Yes. Yes.
Kylie Patchett: But it's felt. I don't know, to me, even when I walk on the land, much more settled, there's a feeling of not. Not that it ever felt unsettled so much, but there's a lot more. I don't know. I feel like I'm sinking in more. Which.
Amy Babish: You're more grounded.
Kylie Patchett: Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. And that's been beautiful. So good.
Amy Babish: So for those of you listening, I was on another podcast, and this is how Kylie and I know each other, through a business mentor I've mentioned on previous episodes, Sam Garcia. I was on her podcast, and I talked about a procedure ritual that's from Taoism, not from Feng shui, but they also do something similar pun shui, where you can place four pieces of. I recommend Noble Elite shungite, and we'll put that in the show notes to anchor in. And almost it feels like you're creating a canopy. So it's like you're at the beach and you had a tent that was, like, tied down at the four corners. You create an energetic Canopy over your home and. Or your land or your business. And you want those pieces of Shungite to kind of like you would with a steak, they're going to be angled in.
Amy Babish: And it's a deeper process. I might do another podcast on it, but you can always go to Sam's podcast episode where I'm sharing detail around that. But it's a sacred way to kind of do some releasing and also create some guardianship over who's on the land, what's on the land. And for those of those people that have suffered on the land.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a really beautiful process. Do you know what's happened as, like, this is so funny. Not straight after that. Like, my husband is a man, keen gardener, but his rule with gardening is you can't plant it unless you can eat the things that grow on it. So no flowers. There's no flowers allowed. Not in his part of the garden anyway.
Kylie Patchett: But we have a really large block. Like, we're still in town, but. And our second block during COVID our price of fruit and vegetables went ridiculous. And so then I came home one day and he had gotten himself a rotary hoe and just dug up the entire second block that we have. Like, the entire thing. Okay, Right. So now we, five years on, we have a beautiful veggie patch and mango tree that's out there. Now we live somewhere that gets frost.
Kylie Patchett: So the mango tree. Every winter, my beautiful husband wraps the mango tree in alfoil to keep it warm. And then he's made a little winter enclosure, and it goes into the enclosure. And we, you know, pray to everyone that it's still going to be there after the winter because it really shouldn't be growing here. Since I did the shunga, he's like, I don't know what you did, but he didn't even bother covering the mango. And it has fruited this year. Like, decent size, like, decent sized mangoes on a tree that should not even be alive here, let alone fruitful. And I'm like, mango, that's a lattice at work.
Amy Babish: Yes. So. So Shungite is a master healer stone, and it's also used for the. The ancient Daoists knew a lot about it.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: The military also uses it for cloaking when people have really chronic, complex, debilitating illness. We use Shungite as Taoist stonalists. So not that the mango tree had a serious illness, but it was fighting against the odds.
Kylie Patchett: It was fighting against the elements, literally.
Amy Babish: Yes.
Kylie Patchett: And now it's flourishing.
Amy Babish: So. So Shungite So I would also recommend kind of seeing how resonant Shungite is with your land.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: I also have Shungite in my home, so I have it. I have retreats in my home, so I have it in my retreat room in the four corners. And my office is this unique shape. So I don't have. I have more than four corners in my office. Of course, I would have that. So I have every place there's a corner, I have a little piece of Noble Link Shungite. So this.
Amy Babish: You. They're going to work as a team, and so when you put one piece down, you're gonna kind of like tune into which direction does it want to turn. And when you are doing. When you're using Shungite or any stone, they always communicate with each other as a team. So you might kind of do one round, and then they might tell you, no, I want to kind of shimmy this way, or I want to lean against this. And there'll be a unified field for you in your office. So I feel like that would be really helping you because you feel more grounded with the Shungite and the actual. So shungite in your office will be really great.
Kylie Patchett: I love it.
Amy Babish: And for people who are listening, like, what size. The place that I get them from in America is my stone Stoneless Mental. Not mentor or mentor. I couldn't get that out. Mentor Sarah Thomas. And they go by. They. Their store is the Upper Clarity Crystal Shop.
Amy Babish: And in Australia, I know that there are a lot of ethical, resourceful people that share stones. Yes. Noble Elite Shungite usually comes from a certain part of Russia. So as someone who has good ethics around procuring things from Russia, I just.
Kylie Patchett: Went with who you recommended. I was like, I don't really need to think about this. I'm just going to order from where Amy says. It took a little while to get here, but that's fine. Like, you know, it's part of the process.
Amy Babish: Sarah's team wraps their stones in gold. Like this gold, beautiful tissue paper, and roses from their altar. So it's just. It's just beautiful and sacred and lovely. Okay, so that's. That's the first recommendation? Yes or not. We're going. That's the second.
Amy Babish: So the next one would be. I saw you have these beautiful glass. It's. It's almost. Is it three sides or glass or two sides that are glass?
Kylie Patchett: Two sides, but most of the sides. Yeah. There's one little bit of wall that's still solid on the. Yeah.
Amy Babish: So when we have any kind of glass. Not just like glass walls, but windows, sliding glass doors. We want to be able to have our space go to sleep at night. Like when we close our eyelids.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: Our space needs that too. So it doesn't need to be fully opaque, but we want to have the ability, whatever kind of aesthetic you choose, that it's a ritual. Because you like ritual too. Every day you're opening and every day you're closing. And also that will help to keep a boundary between home and work. So when the, the glass, the glass kind of keeps it. Even though it's a physical boundary, glass is so transparent that the energy can come into your home.
Kylie Patchett: That makes sense to me. I was holding off on curtains and things because I'm like, I'm just gonna wait until I have this conversation because what I would usually do and what's in our home is blinds that you can put fully down. Because this is the western side. So the, the sun does come in, but then she curtains over. And I always open everything in the morning, close everything at night. Like, I just. Yeah, it is definitely part of my, like, this is my wind down routine to come into my relaxed, you know, sleeping, hopefully not, not streaming in. Coffee.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: And for those people who struggle with being on all the time, when our house is on all the time or our office is on all the time, we don't know when to turn off because that's, that's the soup we're steeping in. So it's not just about ritual. Like, there's many reasons why we want to do that. And your space right now, it looks like this beautiful green wooden walls. And so part of, part of what we can sit with is like, those shears would be great. So green and vertical green reinforces the wood element. And so. Yes.
Amy Babish: And she's also in a beautiful, lovely green dress. She's going to have that beautiful emerald green image that she's gonna find.
Kylie Patchett: Right.
Amy Babish: So this is. I have a sense that you'd pick like a white or a cream for those shears. So we haven't really gotten into five element theory on the podcast, but we're gonna get, we're gonna go there today. So white is metal.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: And so metal controls wood. And since you're already in nature, you're already in a beautiful, lush green space.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: Your instinct to use white there is perfect because that will control the wood element.
Kylie Patchett: Great.
Amy Babish: Yeah. And then she has a, like, looks like it's a wicker.
Kylie Patchett: A wicker. This is from my daughter, so my younger Daughter, she's like, mom, it's got this really cool, like curved metal. But what. Where that will be is I'm. I've got a lounge in here, down the other end at the moment. Just because I like to snuggle in when I'm like, you know, mind mapping sort of stuff. But what I'm on the lookout for, I think is like a wing back reading chair with an ottoman. Like, I want something that's.
Kylie Patchett: That I can put in the corner. I can see out to the green, but is still snuggly. And I can put. Because I'm such a. Like, as soon as autumn comes, I'm like, all right, we're hibernating, people. I will see you in the springtime.
Amy Babish: We're cozy. We're cozy.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: That's perfect. So the, the. The light itself, the light bulb is fire. And then the wicker around it because of the shape, it's rounded, it's a little bit earth, but it's also a little bit metal. And then we. We go into all the layers. So with the brown, the brown is earth. So we're kind of tracking for all of the different elements.
Kylie Patchett: Okay, cool.
Amy Babish: And your hair is curly. My hair is curly. Curly hair that's drapey reads as water. So you're.
Kylie Patchett: Oh, interesting.
Amy Babish: So you can always think about like when you're. When you're dressing for work.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: Like the five elements are always available to us. Her. Her work chair is black, but it's also kind of more vertical. So black and dark blues are water element. So. But the vertical is also. It's. It's.
Amy Babish: It's not really totally a column, but a water shape would be the triangle going down.
Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yeah.
Amy Babish: So in yours is a triangle going up. So it has a little bit of fire to it.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, gotcha.
Amy Babish: So we're kind of looking at the balance. She has a beautiful plant behind her. One of the things that I would recommend in terms of. Right behind you. Yeah, it can be whatever you want. And you could even put, you know, it can be a metaphor. It's really recommended that you have a mountain behind you, so you get a mountain of support. And so it can be someplace that you love, someplace you want to go.
Amy Babish: We don't ever recommend any icy mountaintops because then you're.
Kylie Patchett: I'm not an icy person anyway.
Amy Babish: Yeah, there's some frozen support coming through, so I would recommend that back there. And if you can bring in pops, especially as. As you're kind of iterating with like, this is My genius. This is my book. We want to bring in some pops of fire. So fire is at the beginning of the alchemical sequence of manifestation and creation. And so fire can be light. Fire can be twinkle lights.
Amy Babish: Fire can be faux furs. Fire can be animal prints. Fire can be reds, like neon. Neon gives a modern nod to fire. Anything that's, like, really potent and, like, that makes you feel fiery. And I. With perimenopause, I'll give you some tips on that. If we have time, we'll come back to that as one parametopausal woman to another.
Amy Babish: So we want to bring in those. In that balance, because that will also help. Balance, balance. The wood element. And it will speak to what you're kind of calling in and creating with. With this year. Okay. My next record.
Amy Babish: Oh, yes.
Kylie Patchett: So I've got this beautiful. So the floors in here. Wood.
Amy Babish: Okay.
Kylie Patchett: And I've also got. Because I just turned 50, my beautiful family gave me a cowhide, which I've always wanted. And it's got this, like, paisley design all through it, which is totally me. Like, it. It's the perfect present. Like, I. Yeah, they did very well. So is that.
Kylie Patchett: Would that be.
Amy Babish: That's fire.
Kylie Patchett: That's. That's in front of me. So the lounge. Lounge. And that is in front of me. And just checking in as well. What my plan was for this wall was, is I have around about 100 plants to move in here. I'm a very planty person.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah. That is like my first baby. But what I was planning was I've got a whole heap of wooden floating shelves that. And I was going to ask my husband to put. This is his job this afternoon. He doesn't know yet. To put offset shelves behind me, which will then have all of the books that I love to have handy to refer to, but then lots of the plants. Is that.
Kylie Patchett: I was wondering about the energy of the shelves. Like, is that a.
Amy Babish: So the shelves. So the horizontal shelf will not read as wood, but the wooden shelf is wood. Yes. I would. I would recommend if it's in your aesthetic, because it's always about, like, what your aesthetic is most important.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish: Is it possible for them to be white?
Kylie Patchett: Not the ones that we've got, but I can get white ones. Because that was my. That was my kind of. Do I stay with. Because there is a lot of wood look and color in here already. And I'm like, maybe we're going too far, you know, in one direction. But yeah, there is white. There is white versions of Them.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah. So I could.
Amy Babish: Or, I mean, I don't know what color the paisleys are on the cowhide.
Kylie Patchett: It's kind of. I don't even know how they've done it. I want to say it's some sort of bleach that they've just taken out the color, the cowhide a little bit.
Amy Babish: Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: So, yeah, it's just kind of a pattern. It's not a color.
Amy Babish: So I'm just trying to pull from what you already have. So white reinforces the metal element. Yes, and the metal element will keep the balance of the wood.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, so.
Amy Babish: So that's why I'm recommending white. Yeah. So. So it's. It's not a must. But what. What can happen when we have too much wood? So right now we're in the opposite season here in the Northern hemisphere.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: Even though spring is when the trees come up and those green shoots come out of nowhere, it takes so much energy for that to happen.
Kylie Patchett: Okay. And this is making so much sense to me. Yes.
Amy Babish: Especially when we're perimenopausal and multiple. We'll weave that in. But for anyone, no matter where you are in. In your cycle as a human.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: When we have excess too much. This is Yang, yin and Yang. When we have too much Yang, we're exhausted. That's when we have burnout. That's when we have adrenal fatigue. And so in the spring, even though winter is hibernation, when we. We can be in a season of our life, no matter what the physical season is. And when our office is in a season, the office, like we're in that season drives the.
Amy Babish: Yeah, it drives the energy of the space. So when you have too much Yang and too much wood, then we can want to nap more and rest more, and we're more depleted because it's. There's no time to be in the cycle of rest receiving, which is yin.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: And Yang is doing and creating.
Kylie Patchett: It sounds like even if I'm not getting new shelves, I'm painting them because I actually, as you're talking about this many, many years ago, studied traditional Chinese medicine for, like, oriental psychology, five elements, etc, and I am already a very woody by nature person. So I'm like, Hang on as you're talking, I'm like, that is what I'm like in my natural, you know, always on state. And I don't want to, like, I just don't have the energy anymore. Like, perimenopause thankfully forces you to take a little breath. So, yes, I do not need any more of that. Thank you very much. Yes.
Amy Babish: Yes.
Kylie Patchett: Okay. Excellent.
Amy Babish: And, you know, this is not like a all or nothing statement around perimenopause, but my sense of you and a lot of people who resonate with this kind of work, it's, you know, in terms of what really we're stepping into with the wisdom and the gravitas of perimenopause, menopause is really. This is going to be advanced. For those you're like, what the heck is she going to say? It's a kid, it's a kidney moment. So the kidneys are the water element. The kidneys manage destiny, ancestry, karma, like our. Our life journey, our career journey, our impact, our legacy. And it also manages risk being too risky or not risky enough. And so as we, you know, for those of you who are not in the perimenopausal phase, when you step into really and really honoring this is where I am.
Amy Babish: You become. No.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: And before the. That you used to do your. Your own or other people's. You just have no. You have no tolerance for it.
Kylie Patchett: So this is. Yep. I'm like, no more to give and I'm not putting up with your. Yeah.
Amy Babish: And with that kind of discernment, like, that is when the kidneys come up to the heart of like, what am I here to do? What am I here to create? It's very, very rare. For we want the. We want the heart to be settled. The heart nourishes the kidneys, and that's. That's the flow of life most of the time for most of us. And for those of us, this isn't Kylie. But for those of you who are listening, those of us who are like, what is my purpose? What am I here to do? Who am I here to be? That is a moment that we invite the kidneys to come up to the heart for our destiny, to meet our heart's longing. And many women in perimenopause are like, I am refining that, or I am like, finally embracing what I've heard my whole life.
Amy Babish: And like, I can hear in the second iteration of your business and with this office and just, you know, who. Who I. Who. Who I know you to be. This is like really calling on the. The kidneys to really support you. And so another layer of the kidneys, it's not just like the deep, dark, black still water. It's.
Amy Babish: The kidneys are nourished by the cosmic sky. So by the. Like, I can imagine. I don't. I've never been to Australia. I've never been to where you live, but I can imagine the Aboriginals, like, staring at, like, all of their. Their meticulous paintings that look like the night sky of, like, it's just salt and pepper, navy blue, black, beautiful, infinite, infinite. So that when you think about nourishing the kidneys, nourishing our destiny, our fate, our impact, it feels like something about the night sky.
Amy Babish: It might be an Aboriginal painting, it might be something cosmic that really speaks to you, but that feels like it's really going to help what you spoke about. Like, I want to harvest the end of what this has been. And when we end something, that is the autumn and it's. It's the time between the summer is heart and the autumn. Autumn is in the. In between. And then we go in between, which is the lungs, which is perfectionism, which is many things. We're getting into so many elemental talks right now.
Amy Babish: But then we head into the winter. So when we really are able to say, this is what went well, this is what I'm so grateful for, this is what I cherish, and this is what we. We had a good run, but it's just not for me anymore.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: And I'm complete. Then we can really be in the winter and be in that fertile ground with the cosmos nurturing all the seeds we're planting. So it feels so important. And you might not have that cosmic sky up forever or whatever that is that you choose, but it feels like something really important about nourishing the space of yourself, personally and professionally. That in your space, having there will be very, very, very nourishing.
Kylie Patchett: You just. You have just reminded me of my. My dad was 55 when he was born, and one of the things we used to do, like, I was a teenager, so he would have been 70. We used to put a rug out on our front driveway and lay out under the stars and just, like, speak, like, just chat. And the other night I was feeling really, really discombobulated. Lots of. Yeah, lots of stuff going on outside of business. And I was like, far out.
Kylie Patchett: I'm just not in. I don't even. I can't even, you know, find where I am, let alone ground myself. And I ended up just coming out. Out my back door and we've got heaps of fairy lights up because I love fairy lights anyway. And we've just had, you know, a series of parties in our family with big birthdays, and I just found myself in the end, just la. The ground and just looking up at the sky, because where I Live. There's no light.
Kylie Patchett: So our sky is like you can see every single, you know. And I'm just like, oh my God, this is the same sky. Like, it's okay. Everything's okay. It's all like, it's. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm actually feeling. And I was just like, ah.
Kylie Patchett: Sometimes I just get so like I over complicated so much and when it comes down to it, it's just all of these little simple things of like just take a moment and notice where you are and the vastness of, you know, everything else in this beautiful universe and don't feel over responsible for making things happen or whatever. Like, you know, it's ah. Yes, thank you. I definitely needed that reminder and that is a. Yeah, a beautiful anchor for me to him as well because I miss him a lot. He's. He's just about to turn 100. What would he be 105 this year? He would have been.
Kylie Patchett: I'm like, go dad. Yeah. So yeah.
Amy Babish: And bringing special memory, bringing the ancestral field into the businesses will be really supportive too. Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: Okay. Beautiful.
Amy Babish: Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: I've got art to be shopping for. Yes.
Amy Babish: Should we talk about your book?
Kylie Patchett: Yes, please. Because. Yes, yes, let's talk about this book. Yes.
Amy Babish: So I have a sense that writing comes easy for you.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: Okay, so tell me what it is that you need support around the book with and I can come up, I can like navigate which way recommendation to make. So it's not just like it's never cut and dry, it's always new.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know, it is exactly what I help other people to do. Which of course you're always on the edge of your own expansion that you invite people to. So the book I think is called Disrupt. I'm not 100 sure about that, but she came to me in June last year and I got woken up as I often do with this like this is a $5 million idea. You need to sit up and you need to start taking notes. And I was like, okay, so I'm taking notes and I'm very, very clear about who she is, what she wants to say, who is a co creator. And so I've moved through all of the steps of.
Kylie Patchett: Because it's a. It's really me being able to bring to people's awareness how all of the systems of oppression overlap and are like cogs in a machine. And all of us as disruptors and paradigm shifters need to get the over ourselves and step up and start inviting to new paradigms, not fighting against the old ones. Because that is like. Yeah, don't even get me started. This is like a soapbox thing. And so I'm really, really clear. The.
Kylie Patchett: The book itself feels like very clear energy. I've done all of the interviews that I want to. To pull from the people, because I've interviewed people from all different areas. So, like, Sam on regenerative business versus extractive, but also people that are connected to, like, body image, you know, and diet clusterfuckery and. Sorry. I hope we can swear.
Amy Babish: We could swear.
Kylie Patchett: Oh, yes. Okay.
Amy Babish: That's like my middle name probably for people.
Kylie Patchett: Okay, great. Because I'm like, oh, that's about the fifth time now. And like, the, like, the aging, like, you know, the ageism thing. And I used to work in disability services. I'm very, like, passionate about inclusivity and, like. Like all of the different things, like all the isms and all of the. So I've done all of those interviews, and they're all amazing. But do you think that I'm actually sitting down to actually write the book? No.
Kylie Patchett: And if I'm being completely honest, as when you were talking about, what do you need support on? My gut feel is that I know that this will turn the spotlight on me and what I do in the world. Like, I've got this sense of, like, being in front of, like, this, like, sun, you know, like, and I'm like, oh, I don't know whether my perimenopausal self has got the energy for this. Like, that's. That's what it feels like. So I'm very clear on the message. I'm very passionate about delivering the message, but it's like the. Yeah. What it means for my business and visibility and all of those things feels.
Kylie Patchett: I don't. I don't feel like there's fear of being seen. It's just the, like. Just the. The impact of that, like, you know, on my freedom and my time and my health and my ability to take care. So, yeah, I feel like there's a bit of a push me pull you sort of like, I want the message out there, but it's like, can I write these under a ghost name? Like. Like, stop it.
Amy Babish: So this. This makes better sense because as, you know, as someone who listens to the podcast, I pulled some cards before we came on.
Kylie Patchett: Yes. Okay, great.
Amy Babish: I'm not really sure about this. So in essence, I didn't know it was going to be about the book, but the outcome is, I'll show it and you can tell me if I can say it out loud.
Kylie Patchett: Yes, you can. But that doesn't surprise me.
Amy Babish: So we've kind of. We've covered the other two areas in an organic way in the conversation, but now we're at what's the highest outcome for your soul for this? And so the card that I pulled for that was the death card. And it's quite an intense card in this, in this deck. And some people, you know, Kylie's not a superficial person. Tarot is not superficial. I'm not a superficial person. Nothing I do here is superficial.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, exactly.
Amy Babish: The death card is a portal for trans. Like I would say, not just for transforming, transformation, but transmutation for you. And so whatever it, it feels very ancestral. So whatever it is around, the more impact I have, the more personally it's going to cost me. That feels like what the work is.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense to me. That makes sense to me. I mean, I'm generationally from a long line of, like, dairy and beef cattle farmers, so the, the working hard, like, you know, the, the, the work having to be a sacrifice of, like, physical health or time freedom is a very strong. And it's like, I feel like if I had to choose one thing that was my work in the world to heal, it would be that. So. Yeah. Yeah, that makes very much sense. Yeah.
Amy Babish: So it's not. For those of you listening, this isn't a belief work, it's not somatic work. It's. It is something where the ancestors want to help you with this.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: And there's also an entanglement. And so before I give you any shway, like there's a little bit of shui we can do, but it feels like we are going into, you know, that's a different, a different layer. So what you can do is in, you can do this within your office because that's kind of what it's connected to.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: With the bagua, which is the energetic map of your office. And I'll pull mine out because I always do this for guests so they can see it.
Kylie Patchett: This is my favorite part.
Amy Babish: So it'll be in the show notes.
Kylie Patchett: Perfect.
Amy Babish: So we're going to use the front door of Kylie's office. That is the front as the architectural door of her space. And so to on the right, when we're looking at that front line, it's the right side when you open the door. I think yours is a sliding door. Yes.
Kylie Patchett: Say that's actually the opening of the sliding. Yeah.
Amy Babish: So what you're going to do is you're going to use just. You use the right wall, and you can do whatever you like with this. It can be a floating shelf. That's an altar. It can be a picture that you put something behind. It doesn't really. You can be. Everything in Shui can be hidden in plain sight.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: Like, that's for those of you who are like, I don't want to do anything like that. It's about using the energetic space. So it's like a. Like when we go to a beautiful place. Like, if I. When you're talking about where you live, I'm like, oh, my gosh, that sounds so heavenly and, like, amazing. So I hope all. All of the listeners, like, let that, like, let yourself bathe in that transmission.
Amy Babish: That's one of those places where if you're a match for the big sky, big, big connection to cosmos, like that is you feel it no matter if we've been there or not. So it's the same with our homes and our offices. There are energetic hotspots in each place that just. It's a blueprint or a template no matter where we are. If it's a couch, if it's a huge office building, if it's our camper, like, it's.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish: It's micro macro every time. So in that space. That space is travel and helpful people, and it's also called benefactors, and it's one of the places that we can work with our ancestors in Choi.
Kylie Patchett: Oh, cool.
Amy Babish: Okay. And it feels like that one is the right one to start with for you. So I would write a letter to them to. To your ancestors. And you might know exactly if it's your maternal line or your paternal line or if it's both.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, it feels. It feels both. I've done a lot of healing around my maternal line because of things that made me block myself from there. And I'm like, I actually want to connect to the wisdom as well and heal back through the lineage. But this feels. Both. Feels very. Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: Feels quite sticky, actually, now that we're like, yeah.
Amy Babish: So it feels like. It feels like when. When it's both. This actually gets into. In. In the lineage of that I'm trained in for ancestral work. It gets into a past life. So it works with soul.
Amy Babish: And so we chose, you know, I'm not here to tell anybody what to believe.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: To make it. To simplify it. To simplify the conversation. When. When we incarnate in this lifetime, we came with gifts, and we also came with. I want to get this through. I want to Understand this. I don't want to repeat this lesson.
Kylie Patchett: And yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish: Most people who are mature, I've done this many times. I don't really get, like, new souls in my realms.
Kylie Patchett: That's not.
Amy Babish: They tune me out.
Kylie Patchett: They'd be like, I don't understand what she's talking about. Yeah.
Amy Babish: So my sense is that you've been working on whatever this is deeply related to, but many, many lifetimes, but you chose this blood lineage because they really, in your face, show.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: Like, what is. Yeah. What? What? Maybe it's the opposite of it.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah. So.
Amy Babish: So I would recommend writing a letter to them when we do anything. Shui, like, very kind of like foundational shway, is that we can use red pen, a new red pen, but when we work with a specific wa, we can use the colors of the Gua to activate it even more. So that Gua, the travel and helpful people, is associated with metallics, so. And I know how much he loves sparkly things. So you can use a new, new metallic pen.
Kylie Patchett: Yes, Yes. I just bought an entire, like, 96 something of metallic pens she's showing me.
Amy Babish: On the video, which is amazing. So you're just gonna, like, you know, you want to be grounded, you want to be resourced. You might do it after looking at the night sky because that is very connected to your dad. I'm getting some sense that this is related to your dad's lineage and your soul lineage. But writing a letter, you know, a simple way is like, dear blood and soul ancestors.
Kylie Patchett: Oh, I feel that. So.
Amy Babish: And you're gonna write to them as if they've already helped you and you've already disentangled from, you know, whatever this is. And you have all the other episodes you've been listening to around. You know, you can. You can work it through on in that way of getting some, like, first layers around, like. Oh, maybe I can see it in a different way now because I can see the. The historical or systemic context of what that.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: Cattle life was about for them.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: And, you know, I'm not an expert in Australia, but, you know, global minority people moving to Australia was a hard choice.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: And it was not. It was not easy, and it was complicated, and so they probably were escaping something.
Kylie Patchett: Yes. Yeah. And my. I'm just feeling into just specifically my dad's even just immediate family. Like, he was born the year that the depression started in Australia, and he was the eldest of nine Irish Catholics. So I'm a Murphy by birth. So. Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: So there's a lot of yeah, there's a, like cultural, social, financial. I'm pretty sure his dad was abusive in some way. Like there's multiple, multiple, multiple. Yeah. So that feels like there's a lot to clean up. Yeah.
Amy Babish: There's some layers around, you know, being seen, being fully seen that wasn't safe to be fully seen. Yeah. And also the only way to survive was I'm gonna work myself to the bone to make sure everyone survives.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: I'm gonna suffer because that's. There's no life, there's only survival and suffering.
Kylie Patchett: Correct. Yeah, definitely. No. Yeah. In my first book, I talk about my dad's like, he's such a beautiful, light hearted man, but he had been taught so little self worth and you know, everything was about duty and obligation and divorce, doing the right thing. And I feel like already I had a. Yeah. A moment with a friend who's a medium the other day where he came through, which has never happened.
Kylie Patchett: And he's just like sitting on a cloud. Just like, like, you know, just in his joy rather than this. Yeah. Black and white. Very. Yeah. Struggle, survival based way of moving through the world. Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: There's gonna be a price. There's gonna be a price to pay if I have this month success 100.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: So it feels like, you know, a first layer to like help like oil the wheels of the communication is writing it as if it's already happened. So it's like, thank you for letting me see your humanity. Thank you for letting me see my humanity. Thank you for contextualizing the past life that this was a part of. Thank you for letting me retrieve my soul. This part of my soul that's been disconnected, that knows it's safe to be fully seen and make this massive impact. And you know, thank you for the miracles of having this contact with my dad and my dad's lineage and the seen and unseen realms.
Kylie Patchett: Oh, so good. It's actually already. As you're talking, there's a part of me I usually get the. I get like a really, really somatic response to things when I'm excited. I usually. I used to talk about it like my soul is wagging its tail. And I actually do do this a lot. Like I do wriggle like when I'm excited about something I don't like.
Kylie Patchett: We used to have a rottweiler years ago that. That was when they still docked tails of dogs. And he, when he. So when he shook his bum because he didn't have a tail, his whole body would shake. That's the kind of but as you're talking about, able to untangle from that. I get that feeling on the right side of me, which is like that anticipatory, like, oh, okay. I can feel the. The joyful part of this now.
Kylie Patchett: And the death card. I. I don't know.
Amy Babish: Can you?
Kylie Patchett: I don't know whether you can see this. It's right at the base of my lamp. But I gotta hold it up for you. I am. I like to choose an archetype each year, and I chose. Oh, wow, the Phoenix. Yeah, of course. And as soon as you said death, I was like, yep.
Kylie Patchett: Because the Phoenix, to me, I mean, I wait until they come to me. I don't pick them. But her message was, you're going to have to die to yourself many, many, many, many, many, many times this year and beyond. And I'm like, okay, that sounds hectic. And I am up for it. Yes, yes. But could I have a little rest first?
Amy Babish: We need some rest. We need to, like, slow the wood element. Yes, we need that goodness.
Kylie Patchett: Oh, thank you.
Amy Babish: Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: Because I've been getting very frustrated with myself about that book. I'm like, come on. She came in June. You're finished with the interviews. Like, just sit your ass down. And you know, as soon as you start, it will be flowing out of you like water. That's what it feels like when I write. But I just have not allowed myself to.
Kylie Patchett: Or I've not. I've not. I think it's been connected to being in here as well. I'm like, just wait until you can be in the space and have somewhere that is this sanctuary and then open up the door.
Amy Babish: Yeah. It's like you want to be fully supported in the process. And.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: You know, for your. The resource to be there so that you're taking care of, your soul's taken care of, your lineages are taken care of, and then the writing will be easy.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah. And I know. Yeah. When I allow it to be, it is. But at the moment it feels like this is this. So. Yeah. Okay, bring it on.
Kylie Patchett: Because this book is needing to be like. She's very insistent. She's yelling at me at the moment. I'm like, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Amy Babish: You can ask the book to help also.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: Like, can you help me make contact with my soul, with my paternal lineage? Because I know you're a co creator, you're a collaborator.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do that to the soul of my business. I've never actually thought to do that to the book because to me, each offering always Feels very different. Very different. But why have I not. That seems quite obvious now. You say that.
Amy Babish: We'Re on the other side. It's always like, oh, wow. Yes, I know about that.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: Yes. Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: Oh, my goodness.
Amy Babish: Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: I feel. I feel excited about finding the things to the anchors, and even that letter feels like it's. Yeah. Just a beautiful. And so do I keep the letter once I've written it in that.
Amy Babish: In that space. Yep, yep. So you can, you know, it's your space. Not many people are coming into it. You could frame the letter, but if you. If you don't want the letter to be seen, you can just put it behind some. Some artwork.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, no, I don't mind. I mean, my family's used to my shenanigans, and I've set this space. It's like, no one, not even my animals are in here. I'm like, no, this is my space. No one. I'm just like, I've been waiting for this for this many years. I am going to accept it as just mine.
Amy Babish: And when you bring the plants in, you can also anchor in some intentions into the plants. That feels important. Like, I was like, oh. I'm like, looking at your plant behind you, I'm like, oh, no, there's many more coming. So I would say, you know, I would start with. With three plants, but over time, you can do this. You know, you'll have infinite plants to do this, as it sounds like, because you have so, so many. So many of them.
Amy Babish: You can get red thread or red silk string and cut it in an increment of 9. So it could be 9 centimeters, millimeters, whatever you choose.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: And then you tie your intentions onto the tree onto one. One per. One per plant.
Kylie Patchett: I've heard you say this before. I think it was one of the first episodes that you were talking about Shui, and I was like, okay, all right. I've got this. This one plant that is like a trifid. So at the moment, in the office or in the room that I used to be in, and it's so funny because I bought this plant when I started my business again. And as. So it used to be like, the little dangles on it were, like, this long, but now she's actually grown across. I've trained her across the wall four times, and then now she's on the ceiling.
Kylie Patchett: So, yeah, there's. There's a major extrication operation that we'll have to. But I'm like, no one else is coming in here. So I could literally Just train them all along the roof so that I would just be inside of green. But as you're talking, I'm like, maybe that's a lot of one element and not kind of balanced. So maybe I don't want to do that. What. What do we say for water?
Amy Babish: The. The cosmic night sky.
Kylie Patchett: Ah, yes, that's right. Okay. Okay. Good job. Good job.
Amy Babish: Mirrors are also glasses. Water. Yeah, mirrors are water. And so the mirror. The mirror piece is really important. Whatever the mirror sees, it doubles. So we want to be really, like, intentional and.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: So mirrors can be used to help write books. But we don't need. We don't need that step yet.
Kylie Patchett: No, please don't. Please don't turn on the waterfall yet.
Amy Babish: I'm not going to turn on the water. We can do that. For those of, like, any dissertation people who are listening, any book writers, we can use Choi for that. But you could think about, like, just setting the intent. You can. You can program a mirror so you can set the intention for. For you to be clearly seen and for people to clearly see you, including your ancestors and your soul.
Kylie Patchett: In fact, that. That is like one of the key programs that I teach.
Amy Babish: Yes, yes.
Kylie Patchett: Cold scene. Yeah. So if I wanted to place. Because I. I have a round mirror that I would like to bring in here.
Amy Babish: Perfect.
Kylie Patchett: And I was thinking, so the wall to the left of me is the only wall that is a full solid wall. Oh, no. I guess the one behind me is but like a long. So I was wondering about putting it somewhere on that wall. And that would mean it would be reflecting my cut flower garden once it's planted in the spring. And I wanted to plant a wisteria because this is the western side. So I thought if I could have a wisteria growing because you know how they, like, they lose their leaves in the wintertime, so it'll let sunlight in when I want it, but in the summertime, it will give a little bit of protection from.
Amy Babish: From.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, from the sun. So that's what I was thinking. But would that be.
Amy Babish: Yeah, you just.
Kylie Patchett: Is it? Yeah.
Amy Babish: So you know what, for those of you who are not plant people, wisteria is purple and it's beautiful. So purple is a combination of heart, fire and blue water. So that's a great elemental balance. And that also there's all these different layers. But just for those of you who are nerding out, like, accrued wealth is the abundance corner. It's not about creating new money, but, like, an abundance of resources, an abundance of support, an abundance of safety, an abundance of balance. Like that could be how you use the purple. And what I'm sensing is that the door will also be doubled so you can just anchor.
Amy Babish: And I want to really be able to see all the opportunities and all the doors to open. Oh, it's on that. Okay.
Kylie Patchett: It. No, it'll be. So what will be opposite the mirror is a window though. So.
Amy Babish: Okay.
Kylie Patchett: I don't know whether that's sort of similar. Yeah. Okay.
Amy Babish: The harvest of the garden. Beauty of the garden.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: Yes.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah. Well, that's what I'm kind of. Because if I put my armchair in the corner, then that is the wall that I will be like. I'll be able to see out both glass.
Amy Babish: Perfect.
Kylie Patchett: You know, But I'll also be able to. Yeah. See the mirror. So I was like, oh, that's could be cool.
Amy Babish: And it's good to double rest.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: Okay. It's good to double rest because you have so much growth energy. That would be good.
Kylie Patchett: Okay, perfect. So when. So what is the rest though? Sorry?
Amy Babish: Oh, your lounger.
Kylie Patchett: Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, perfect. Yes. Yeah, yeah. I'm so excited. I think I found the one because I'm such a floral pattern person and I found one that's like this deep navy on the back. But then it's this, I guess kind of like the sagey green that's behind me, but it's got like navy and darker green. Like florally pattern, but not like nana floral.
Kylie Patchett: I know sometimes I'm like, is this nana? I don't know. Whatever. I don't really care. But yeah, it's got a matching footstool. But I also love practical stuff, so I'm like, oh, in the footstool you can open up to put all your like coloring books and like mind mapping stuff because I like things to be neat. As you were talking about the ancestral thing, I had my. There's a picture of me, my mum and my nan, but also my dad was a army, like career army person. And so I've had those two pictures behind me in my shelving.
Kylie Patchett: Should. Would I put them in the ancestral?
Amy Babish: That would be great. That would be a good piece for them. Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: Okay, cool. I've got a little. Just a small floating shelf that's got sort of like. I don't know what you call it, like carved wood on the top of it.
Amy Babish: Yep.
Kylie Patchett: I'm wondering about that being just inside the door because I. I do like to have a smudge stick and a, you know, candle and incense and stuff.
Amy Babish: That's the perfect Place like that.
Kylie Patchett: Okay.
Amy Babish: Perfect place for those things. Like they can all live. They can. They'll. That's. That's where when people say, like, worship at my altar. That's a great place for the altar and perfect.
Kylie Patchett: Helpful. Yeah. Because I've got. I brought it in here and then it didn't feel right. I have an old round table, but it's quite high, like kind of higher than waist height that I have always used as my altar in my other office. It's my great great grandmother's, I think. So it's got a bit of an ancestral thing, but I can't put it there. So where I would have put it would probably be this back corner.
Kylie Patchett: But I wonder if it is it. I know too many altars. How many altars are real?
Amy Babish: It's whatever. Whatever delights your soul. Some people are like, I'm a hard note to an altar. And some people are like, let the whole space be an altar. So.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, well, I mean, there's crystals in the walls here because I was. Before the builder came to seal it all up. I'm like, jacob, hang on a minute. And he's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, you worry. You're a pretty little head about it. Yes. I'm like, I'm just lacing some into J. And that feels so good.
Kylie Patchett: Thank you so much. Because this is really clarified. But I do think one of the things you said, like the wood shelves behind me now, I'm like, I think they might need to be painted. Well, when you said bring in some fire with a neon, like the colored sort of thing, if I would, I. Could I possibly paint the shelves of color? I'm a big fan of color. But.
Amy Babish: Yes, you said you are a big fan or are you not a big fan?
Kylie Patchett: Yeah.
Amy Babish: Oh yeah. I mean, totally. You can. They can be multiple colors. So you can. You can bring in like I could almost see. I can't see the fabric, but like whatever the colors of the fabric are, you can also. Yes.
Kylie Patchett: Okay, cool.
Amy Babish: You can weave that in. Yeah.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah. I'm not 100 sold on the color behind me. I've been umming and arring about it. I had duck egg blue in my other room and I'm like, I don't know whether that's the right green or not. So I, Yeah, I did want to have like big bold wallp. Then I thought, I think I will get over that very quickly. So yeah, I just went with something. But yeah, I don't mind the idea of putting some Color behind me.
Amy Babish: So, yeah, so you, you, you'll feel into it. And I think that, you know, shway is not one aesthetic. So you're going to get really clear about, like, oh, and you have a good. You have your own really solid understanding of the five elements. So. Ish, ish, ish.
Kylie Patchett: I know enough to be dangerous, I think. Amy.
Amy Babish: Yes. So one of. One of my colleagues and I will. I will plug her. She is an interior designer and a house therapist, and her rate is really, really reasonable. Whereas, you know, she's. She's drawing from her interior design background.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: She's. It's like US$150 an hour, and she's really, really good with five element theory. So her name is Abby. Her. Her Instagram handle is holistic Design. Abby Lane, Holistic Designs, but it's Abby McGill, Henry Lane, and she is great with color. So if you want to get her color consult after you kind of like, you get the chair, she might be like, oh, this is the perfect background color that will feel like Kylie. But then, you know.
Kylie Patchett: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, so good.
Amy Babish: Yes. So she, she feels like a good resource for.
Kylie Patchett: We go. Oh, thank you. I think you've actually mentioned her before. I'm like, oh, yes, I'll be going and following her on Instagram. I'm pretty sure I am already. So.
Amy Babish: Yes.
Kylie Patchett: I love it, I love it, I love it. Oh, you have been such a joy to talk to. I'm. Thank you so much for your. Yeah. Your gift. I. I just feel.
Kylie Patchett: I. I feel so grateful for this space, but to feel into the intentionality and it just feels like you've given me so many things that I can do on a practical level that will nourish me as I move through my business as well, which I really appreciate.
Amy Babish: So thank you, thank you, thank you for being so willing. And we're also going to be taping. I'm going to be a guest on Kylie's podcast and tell everybody what.
Kylie Patchett: Your podcast is wild and finally free. We absolutely can swear.
Amy Babish: That's right.
Kylie Patchett: That's right. Because freedom is my highest value. So, yeah, we have some. We have people like you that do amazing things in the world to just talk about. Yeah. Talk about your work and how you've been pulled towards it. And I'm fascinated by all the different things that you thread together. So I can't wait to chat with you.
Kylie Patchett: Yes.
Amy Babish: So you're going to have a double dose of Kylie and Amy. One. One here, one there. So if you can't get enough of Kylie, please check her out. And just sending you your ancestors, your soul, your book, your business, the land and the cosmos. Just sending those infinite blessings to you. So thank you, thank you, thank you.
Kylie Patchett: Thank you, thank you.
Amy Babish: And for those of you who have joined us today for this wild ride, please leave me a rating and a feedback and on whatever podcast you find me, I would love this podcast to reach more people, to create more impact and be a beautiful resource for for those people and their ancestors and their systemic fields. So until we meet again, thank you and see you next time.
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