Healing Physical Pain & Generational Trauma with Constellation Work
The issues and pain we experience in this lifetime may not always be our own. Sometimes we are simply meant to be the one to close the loop.
This particular episode will help you better understand how alchemical family and systems constellation work can not only heal generational trauma—but also unexplained physical pain and issues.
Meet a colleague and emerging friend of mine, Jessica Betancourt! She’s a certified RTT Hypnotherapist and Holistic Health Coach who helps people unravel their addictive habits and obsessive tendencies. She specializes in helping people heal their relationships with alcohol, smoking, cocaine, sugar, and screen addiction.
Before we even began this conversation, I had full-body chills. It was apparent something deeply meaningful was about to transpire.
You’ll especially want to tune into this client session if you, too:
» can’t seem to figure out why you’re having physical pain and issues
» want to feel strong in your body and get more time back
» are a young mom of and/or mom of multiple children
» have some history of religious trauma in the family
» are also estranged from family members
We don’t have to have a story to support the messages that come through. The knowledge is deeply rooted in our genes, epigenetics, and our systemic field.
Topics covered in this podcast episode:
What physical issues Jess is experiencing and her intention for this session
How we get entangled with an ancestor or ancestors
How alchemical constellation work is so effective at disentangling us from the ancestor
How we’re able to work with estranged family members
Questions to ask to dive deeper into when and why physical issues manifest
The powerful connection between Jess, her ancestors, and land
The work you need to do prior to booking an alchemical constellation work session with Amy
What information you need to know about your lineage and ancestors for this work
How to best phrase things when talking with ancestors during constellation work
The biggest breakthrough that happens during alchemical family & systems constellation work
The victim-perpetrator bond Jess’ ancestor lived with and if it can be healed
What synchronicities Jess notices from her life with this call
When working with the systemic field, sometimes we work in the past and then the present. Other times, it’s the exact opposite. Each person’s system is unique in this way—there’s no right or wrong.
But when we just trust that the systemic field is revealing itself clearly the amount of healing that ripples backwards and forwards is astounding! May this be that reminder for you today.
If this episode resonates with you, I invite you to leave a review for the podcast on whatever platform you prefer. Until next time, take gentle care.
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Amy on The Mindful Drinking Movement Pt. 1
Amy on The Mindful Drinking Movement Pt. 2
Meet: Jessica Betancourt
Jessica Betancourt is a certified Rapid Transformational Therapy Hypnotherapist and Holistic Health Coach. She helps people to unravel their addictive habits and obsessive tendencies by supporting them in seeing their maladaptive behaviors as symptoms rather than diagnosis. She believes that maladaptive behaviors are really just outdated solutions for yesterday's problems and in finding the positive intention behind the behavior and making those subconscious beliefs recognized by the conscious mind, people can find a natural and graceful ease in letting go of the lifestyle habits that no longer serve them. She specializes in helping people heal their addictive relationships with alcohol mostly but also works with clients for screen addiction, smoking, cocaine, and sugar. You can find her on Instagram at La Vida Salud as well as on the podcast The Mindful Drinking Movement.
Connect w/ Jess:
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Amy Babish [00:01:10]: Welcome in to the Soulful Visionary podcast. I'm your host, Amy Babish, and today we have a colleague and an emerging friend of mine, Jessica Betancourt.
Amy Babish [00:01:25]: I was like, oh my goodness, I.
Amy Babish [00:01:27]: Didn'T check that before the episode. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go through, kind of introduce you to Jess. She's happily sharing her, her background with us. Jessica is a certified rapid transformation therapy hypnotherapist and a holistic health coach. She helps people unravel their addictive habits and obsessive tendencies by supporting them and seeing their maladaptive behaviors as symptoms rather than diagnosis. She believes that maladaptive behaviors are really just outdated solutions for yesterday's problems. And in finding the positive intention behind the behavior and making these subconscious beliefs recognized by the conscious mind, people can find a natural and graceful ease filled letting go of the lifestyle habits that no longer serve them. She specializes in helping people heal, heal their addictive relationships with alcohol mostly, but also works with clients for screen addiction, smoking, cocaine and sugar.
Amy Babish [00:02:25]: You can find her on Instagram at La Vida Salud and as well on the podcast the Mindful Drinking Movement. Welcome in, Jessica.
Amy Babish [00:02:34]: Thank you.
Jessica Betancourt [00:02:36]: I'm so excited.
Amy Babish [00:02:37]: So excited. And for those of you who follow Jessica or who who follow me on my newsletter on Instagram, I was on a double episode with Jessica at the end of 2024, so definitely I'll put those in the show notes. You can catch the progression of our con, our conversation about mindful drinking, and we'll see where we head today. So, so grateful to have you here. And I have full body chills, so I know that something really meaningful is going to transpire today. So on with guests, I Always start by asking, what is your intention for our work together today?
Jessica Betancourt [00:03:17]: Well, when you offered that I could be a guest on your show and it was more going to be like I was going to be in the client seat because I'm not often in the client seat because I'm a therapist, I felt vulnerable, scared, excited, and was like a yes before I even knew what I wanted to work on.
Amy Babish [00:03:39]: Yes. Yes.
Jessica Betancourt [00:03:40]: Yeah, definitely wanted to be involved and like work with you because just in talking to you, I was like, oh, I bet it would be amazing to be Amy's client before you even said that to me. And I was like, well, yes, of course I want to be on your podcast, but my intention. So as I thought about it, like, I've worked through so many things, so my problems aren't like major and pervasive so much anymore, but they definitely used to be. But these days I have like, physical things that are funny. Like, not funny, like make you laugh, but, like, I cannot figure out no matter what. I have tried to help them.
Amy Babish [00:04:22]: Relief.
Jessica Betancourt [00:04:23]: So I told you about one, but this other one is like really pressing to me just in this moment.
Amy Babish [00:04:29]: Yeah.
Jessica Betancourt [00:04:29]: Should I say both or should I say one?
Amy Babish [00:04:31]: We always, you know, when. If someone's paying me or if it's on the podcast, no matter what it is, when we start the process which we've been iterating on, that's when our process starts. So we've been in communication about this episode for a while. You graciously filled out my form and so I would say name both because they're both a part of the bigger cycle and we just let your body speak for you. So. Okay. Share both.
Jessica Betancourt [00:04:58]: Okay. So the one that kind of intermittently comes and goes is like I have this pressure on my heart space and it feels like a big rock. It feels heavy and weighted and like it's not always there. But even just when I talk about it now, it's like I can feel it more. So when I bring attention to it, it's there. And if I have like, I have four kids, as I think you know, and they're young and like, it's really intense in my house sometimes, like just with all their emotional and just the constant needing of me and it make. When I. When things are not going well in my house, like at dinner time or whatever, my chest like seizes and it's not like I have said, like, I feel like I might have a heart attack if, like this stress doesn't relieve and I try to be careful with my Languages to my.
Jessica Betancourt [00:05:53]: Not, like, blame my kids for how I'm feeling, but, like, I'm kind of standing on a war. Like, this needs to cool off because, like, I'm in physical pain. And sometimes even though I have, I would say, have healed my addiction with alcohol, but some because I don't want to take medication. Like, I don't really want to do anything to make it go away in. In any other way other than discovering why it's there and how I can work through it. But sometimes I will, like, allow myself to, like, drink a dark beer because, like, that. And I think that's why I did have a problem with alcohol for so long. And now that I've removed alcohol, it's just like, there it is.
Jessica Betancourt [00:06:33]: I can see this thing that I was covering up for 30 years. But, like, I'll have, like, one beer and be like, okay, I know this isn't the solution, but, like, in this moment, this is helping me. So I do have that dialogue with myself. And, like, I'm really aware of what I'm doing and why I don't just, like, disappear into checking out, like, anymore at all. And so that's one, and then two. I don't know if they're related altogether, though. Everything's interrelated is I got a vaccine when I was seven or eight for. Not hpv, not hpv, not genital words, the other kind.
Jessica Betancourt [00:07:17]: And like, I'm sorry, I'm not landing on my. The correct terminology now, but for her, for the. For not herpes, for the warts virus. And why. And I'm sure some listeners are, like, shouting it out right now. It's that one.
Amy Babish [00:07:33]: The words.
Jessica Betancourt [00:07:36]: Yeah. Oh, my God. Okay, well, the word is escaping me, the terminology. But I got a vaccine for reducing this virus, and it gave me, like, an outbreak of what are called plantar warts on the soles of my feet. And I have them in a pattern on both sides of my feet.
Amy Babish [00:07:52]: Okay.
Jessica Betancourt [00:07:53]: So, like. And I've looked at these points, these reflexology points, and, like, like, been through.
Amy Babish [00:07:59]: The rabbit hole of, like, why do.
Jessica Betancourt [00:08:00]: They have this pattern? So I have, like, one on my big toe where this is, like, pituitary gland, I believe. And then the other two are on pancreas and liver points on my feet. And then I have a strange one on one side, on the left side, which is on my heel, which is large intestine. As far as what I know, I'm not a certified Chinese medical, but I'm an enthusiast. So that's.
Amy Babish [00:08:24]: That's What?
Jessica Betancourt [00:08:25]: I know.
Amy Babish [00:08:28]: This. This is amazing. And so as we go into this, like, if we just kind of sit with, like, this is what's present. If you were able to get to the bottom of the spiritual nature of this or the cause of this, of these, what do you think would be available? If you're able to alchemize them, compost them, integrate them, what would be possible for you? What would you like to use? What would be.
Amy Babish [00:08:58]: I like all those words. Yes.
Jessica Betancourt [00:09:00]: Oh, compost these warts off my feet. Well, they're. It's physical pain that steals my. Oh, my attention. The. The feet thing is, like, from when I wake up, I'm really aware of it. Like, it hurts when I walk, it hurts. Like, talking about it now makes me cry.
Jessica Betancourt [00:09:21]: Like, I feel sad. I've been many podiatrists, and, like, they try to freeze them. Like, they. Nothing will kill this thing. I hate to say that with that kind of, like, definitiveness, but no one has been able to help me. And I've done weird things and traditional things and classical things and, like, I've done all the things, everything.
Amy Babish [00:09:43]: Addicts.
Jessica Betancourt [00:09:44]: Totally. And now. And it's just at the point of, like, okay, I have to learn. I just learned to live with it. But what would be available for me is, like, ease in walking. Like, I love to dance and I love to run, and I do those things anyway. But it hurt. Like, it hurts my feet to even walk.
Jessica Betancourt [00:10:05]: So, like, any kind of shoes, I can hardly do. I'm always barefoot or I wear, like, leather flip flops. Like, I. But it's just been so long that I just don't think about it. I just don't think about it.
Amy Babish [00:10:20]: Not.
Jessica Betancourt [00:10:21]: I haven't really sat down to think.
Amy Babish [00:10:22]: About what it wouldn't. What it would be like if it wasn't there.
Jessica Betancourt [00:10:25]: But I would really like it to compost or heal or do. Do something else.
Amy Babish [00:10:31]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:10:35]: So I can feel it so tender, and it's also so painful.
Amy Babish [00:10:38]: Like, this is it really hurt?
Jessica Betancourt [00:10:40]: Yeah, like they burn.
Amy Babish [00:10:41]: Yeah, it feels like burning.
Jessica Betancourt [00:10:43]: Like, I put apple cider vinegar on them to, like. Just so they don't burn and, like, pads and things. But, like, it's just so much time to do that.
Amy Babish [00:10:54]: And, like, I don't have time. I have four kids and work, and, like, I just don't.
Jessica Betancourt [00:10:59]: I can't spend an hour doing my.
Amy Babish [00:11:01]: Feet every day, you know? Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:11:05]: This is. This is like, so, so, so, like, I can. I'm sensing a lot. One of the things I'm curious about is, was anything else going on in your life around age 7 or 8 or in your family system?
Amy Babish [00:11:26]: I mean, at 7, I. Not that I can.
Jessica Betancourt [00:11:30]: So like a 2.
Amy Babish [00:11:31]: I don't know.
Jessica Betancourt [00:11:32]: Like, immediately I just thought of, like, okay, I was baptized at that time.
Amy Babish [00:11:36]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:11:37]: Into my mom's church.
Jessica Betancourt [00:11:40]: Like the church I was born is.
Amy Babish [00:11:41]: Born into, the Mormon Church.
Amy Babish [00:11:42]: Okay.
Jessica Betancourt [00:11:43]: And they baptize you at 7 or 8.
Amy Babish [00:11:46]: And that happened.
Jessica Betancourt [00:11:48]: It wasn't traumatic for me, but like.
Amy Babish [00:11:50]: I've always been like a. No, that's not my church person.
Jessica Betancourt [00:11:57]: Even from very little.
Amy Babish [00:11:58]: I was gonna say even from very little. I can feel.
Amy Babish [00:12:00]: Yeah, yeah, totally.
Jessica Betancourt [00:12:02]: But like, had to be there. And like, all due respect to my mom, I love my mom so much, but it was never my religion. It was my mom's religion. And like, you just do what you feel is best for your kids, you know?
Amy Babish [00:12:14]: I don't know.
Jessica Betancourt [00:12:15]: I was thinking of this, like, I wanted an astrology book when I was little and she was like, no way. No, because that's anti Christ. Like, like her explanation really through me. It was anti what the religion stood for to have astrology. So that angered me. But then I was thinking, you know, like, if my daughter asked me for like a fundamentalist Christian book, I would say no.
Amy Babish [00:12:42]: Right.
Amy Babish [00:12:43]: You know?
Amy Babish [00:12:44]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:12:45]: Something comes up, the resistance comes up.
Amy Babish [00:12:48]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:12:49]: Okay. And do you by chance, this is like a wild one. Do you by chance know what land you lived on as a little girl? Girl.
Jessica Betancourt [00:12:58]: I was looking this up because I am doing some ancestral work in. In writing, in the book project that I'm doing. And as I go. Yeah, it's super exciting. So I'm. I'll plug them because I think they're an amazing company. But it's with ancestral medicine, if anybody's interested in delving into working with ancestors in a safe way. But I been kind of like, trancing out to go contact my ancestors of a lineage.
Jessica Betancourt [00:13:27]: And there's no documented proof that I have found yet, but one of my great great grandmas was supposedly Native American. And like, that's who I see when I close my eyes. I don't know how many grades, like, because they don't. There's no birth certificates. Right. There's no paper trail to follow. But like, when I close my eyes, when I do this shamanic journeying type of meditation that I do, like, I see Native Americans and I am with them and they know me.
Amy Babish [00:13:57]: They're with you?
Amy Babish [00:13:58]: They're with.
Jessica Betancourt [00:13:59]: They know me. Yeah. And they like, beckon to me. They don't. I haven't conversated, like, with words, but I've been, like, shown things, like, brought to a corn field. So they. They're the Apache land.
Amy Babish [00:14:15]: But I did. I grew up in Utah.
Amy Babish [00:14:17]: Yep.
Amy Babish [00:14:18]: Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:14:21]: Okay. And just the presence of the land that you're on, do you. Do you feel comfortable sharing that? And if not, it's okay to preserve some privacy. If you don't feel comfortable just in your heart, you can presence it.
Amy Babish [00:14:33]: Oh, that's okay.
Jessica Betancourt [00:14:34]: I think I'm clear about where I live on my social media. I live in Tenerife in the Canary Islands, which is indigenous Wanche people.
Amy Babish [00:14:45]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:14:47]: Yeah.
Jessica Betancourt [00:14:48]: And I actually live on a property where there are. We have found some artifacts and things, and they used to live in caves, and we have one of these caves.
Amy Babish [00:15:00]: On our property where we live.
Amy Babish [00:15:02]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:15:03]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:15:04]: So I could see, like, as you named them, like, a lot of, you know, just for the listeners, like, you're shaking your head and your eyes got really wide. Like, there was a kind of, like, I'd say, like a deep acknowledgment of those people. Yeah. My whole system kind of. I can feel my spine straighten on my end. So there's some. There's something about these two lands I can feel. And what I'm sensing, when you fill out the form, you're like, I'm.
Amy Babish [00:15:31]: I'm curious about the somatic work. And what I'm sensing is that the somatic work might be helpful, but what might be more helpful is ancestral work.
Amy Babish [00:15:44]: I think so.
Jessica Betancourt [00:15:45]: I think so.
Amy Babish [00:15:46]: It's like.
Jessica Betancourt [00:15:46]: So what I'm interested in lately, just kind of out of nowhere. Not out of nowhere, but in its due course, this has been what I've been up to.
Amy Babish [00:15:55]: Yeah, I agree.
Amy Babish [00:15:58]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:15:59]: So when we. When we do ancestral work, which my background is through many different lineages, but we're gonna. What we're gonna work on today is from alchemical family and systems. Constellation work, like the constellation in the sky, but that's. It's being here on Earth. So we always start with intention. And so you. You named part of the intention, which is like, I would like to be able to have ease with walking, dance, running, and have your time and energy back.
Amy Babish [00:16:33]: Does that sound right?
Amy Babish [00:16:35]: Yeah, I want.
Jessica Betancourt [00:16:36]: Yeah. And I would love to feel like.
Amy Babish [00:16:38]: Sure.
Jessica Betancourt [00:16:39]: In my feet.
Amy Babish [00:16:40]: I like.
Jessica Betancourt [00:16:40]: I would love to walk with really healthy, strong feet.
Amy Babish [00:16:46]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:16:51]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:16:52]: And when we get into this way of working, we also. We also name what the resistance is or kind of like whenever I go to Walk with healthy feet, or whenever I go to dance with healthy feet, this is what comes up. And we know physically it's plantar warts. And so we kind of. We go a little bit deeper and say we know it's ancestral, but I have a high. Not. No, no, no. But there's a high probability this is something that's entangled with an ancestor for you, because you've literally thrown everything at it and it doesn't change.
Amy Babish [00:17:35]: And it's not to dispel the people who've had, like, real harm done by vaccines. And there's oftentimes another piece like, what's at the base of this for you? That that's where ancestral work can be really helpful. So we name the possibility that you are entangled with an ancestor who we know they didn't get a vaccine back then. Something might have happened that. Back then it looks like one thing, and then for you, it comes into your lived experience as plantar. Plantar warts. Does that make sense?
Amy Babish [00:18:13]: Yeah. Oh, yeah. To me, yes.
Amy Babish [00:18:15]: So. So when we do this work, it's. We're going to support them and get them a resource, and that resource is then gonna ripple down through the lineage and support you. So how does that feel to just name that?
Amy Babish [00:18:32]: Sounds right.
Jessica Betancourt [00:18:34]: Sounds like a correct path.
Amy Babish [00:18:36]: And. Yes.
Amy Babish [00:18:37]: So the first thing we do after naming the intention, that. The intention is like the guardrails. So there are many things that are in our fields. We just are going to work on this intention today. And sometimes there's layers. Sometimes this is like the. The main experience. So we don't.
Amy Babish [00:18:55]: We will only know as we go through it, and we'll only know after it kind of integrates into your system after. After the podcast episode. So the first thing we do is. It's called a tune in. And so you and I are each going to tune in into the field, into the ancestral field, and we're going to ask both your mom to come in from your left side. That's where our maternal lineage lives. And then your dad to come in on your right side. And we're going to ask, do either of you carry this pattern? And then the second question is, did it start with you? Okay.
Amy Babish [00:19:34]: Okay, there we go.
Amy Babish [00:19:36]: It. And whenever you feel like you are ready to name what you're noticing, you can. You can let me know.
Amy Babish [00:20:38]: I feel like I have a good relationship with my mom, so it's, like.
Jessica Betancourt [00:20:43]: Easy to presence her.
Amy Babish [00:20:45]: Yeah, yeah.
Jessica Betancourt [00:20:46]: But to like, call in my. The energy of my dad.
Amy Babish [00:20:49]: Like, I'm estranged from my dad.
Amy Babish [00:20:51]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:20:52]: Presently, like no one's really heard from him for a while.
Jessica Betancourt [00:20:57]: Like honestly I do not know where.
Amy Babish [00:20:59]: He is right now in on the Earth. It's just so this energy is really resistant and difficult and I feel like.
Jessica Betancourt [00:21:19]: It comes on both sides.
Amy Babish [00:21:22]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:21:25]: Another layer I heard as I was tuning in was really important to name what's in the field, which is if this is related to the closure of your heart, the pressure, the, the rock on your heart. We should also presence, that intention that, that might be part of this resistance too. It might have like a two pronged approach. Does that resonate with you when I name that? When, when I tuned in, I don't always share my tune in, but when I tuned in, I was in a cornfield.
Amy Babish [00:21:57]: Yeah, I've seen this.
Amy Babish [00:21:59]: It was. Your dad was there. And it's almost as if I'm not a seer. So I, I sense it was almost as if someone was pressing, pressing down on his shoulder like really hard. Like almost like pinching it or like grabbing it. And when I tuned into your, your maternal lineage, it was, it was quite, was present but it wasn't as intense as what was happening with your dad's.
Amy Babish [00:22:30]: I think it is more over here.
Jessica Betancourt [00:22:32]: On the right side, but I kind of didn't want it to be so.
Amy Babish [00:22:35]: I was like looking more on the left. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:22:42]: So, so this, this is honest and it's. We're going to just take it one step at a time. So one of the things that we can do is that I can ask your dad. I didn't ask him because I always give the client the first, the first way of tuning in. And even though you've done a ton of ancestral work, sometimes the resistance shows up as I can't, I can't contact with the person. So. So that's for those of you listening. You don't have to do ancestral work before meeting me.
Amy Babish [00:23:14]: And if you have and you don't have that contact, there's a way to, to, to presence. Presence that. So I'm going to go in and tune in with them and you might, you might be in the field with me and just notice. And you might notice something. You might notice nothing. Your body might give you sensations. All of it is a part of the experience. Okay.
Amy Babish [00:23:35]: Yes, please ask him.
Jessica Betancourt [00:23:36]: And also my dad is from the.
Amy Babish [00:23:37]: Midwest, so like corn fields everywhere.
Amy Babish [00:23:41]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:23:41]: Okay. So when I tuned in it was very kind of like Barry Midwestern. It was very like direct. He started with this didn't start with me. And I felt A ton of energy go down through my legs and my feet. So that lets me also. That's another way of confirming that this, we're on the right path. And in my heart, it doesn't feel like pressure, but it feels like.
Amy Babish [00:24:17]: It feels like a cave. So it feels like. Like an empty cave. So we're just going to present that. So then we. We go into the next layer, which is your mom and dad can kind of stand to the side. And if your dad isn't showing up for you yet, that's okay. We're just presencing his.
Amy Babish [00:24:37]: His energy, his soul, his blueprint for those of you don't believe in that. And behind him, we're going to place his mom on his left side and his dad on his right side.
Amy Babish [00:24:51]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:24:52]: And we're going to ask your grandparents, do you carry this pattern? Did it start with you?
Amy Babish [00:25:00]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:25:01]: Are you going to ask or am I going to ask?
Amy Babish [00:25:03]: You can ask. We'll go in together. Yeah, we'll go in together.
Amy Babish [00:25:05]: Okay. I feel pulled towards my grandma.
Amy Babish [00:25:21]: Okay. Okay.
Amy Babish [00:25:24]: And you can ask her, do you carry this. This pattern of something with the feet resistance to being able to walk with ease, dance with ease? Do you feel the weight on your chest, on your heart?
Amy Babish [00:25:40]: I'm getting a yes, even though I have no information to back that up.
Amy Babish [00:25:45]: Yep.
Jessica Betancourt [00:25:46]: Yep.
Amy Babish [00:25:46]: We don't have to have a story. It's in the field. It's. It's in the. Our genes, epigenetics, and it's also in our systemic field.
Amy Babish [00:25:55]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:25:57]: So then we're gonna go in and presents. Go back another generation. We're going to ask her parents, your great grandparents, her mom and her dad.
Amy Babish [00:26:17]: I'm getting. It's coming from him. I don't even know his name.
Amy Babish [00:26:21]: Okay, that's okay.
Amy Babish [00:26:22]: That's okay. So your great grandfather. And you can ask him, did it. Did it start with you?
Amy Babish [00:26:37]: It didn't start with him.
Amy Babish [00:26:39]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:26:41]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:26:42]: And his parents are from Germany.
Amy Babish [00:26:45]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:26:47]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:26:48]: So we're gonna ask his parents to come in and you can ask both of them same, same questions. Do either of you carry this pattern? And did it start with you?
Amy Babish [00:27:15]: I feel like I'm making this weird stuff up.
Amy Babish [00:27:19]: All feels weird. Everyone, everyone, myself included, is like, I must have made this up.
Amy Babish [00:27:24]: Well, I'm like, they know each other.
Amy Babish [00:27:27]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:27:28]: His parents.
Amy Babish [00:27:29]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:27:30]: Since they were little or something. I don't know.
Amy Babish [00:27:33]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:27:35]: And they both feel this thing.
Amy Babish [00:27:39]: Okay. Okay.
Amy Babish [00:27:41]: Of like some. I don't know, like some in wavement or some change thing.
Amy Babish [00:27:50]: I'm Sorry, I couldn't hear you. Jessica.
Amy Babish [00:27:52]: Oh. It's like they have. I don't know. I see like chains.
Amy Babish [00:27:55]: Okay. Chains.
Amy Babish [00:27:57]: Okay. Okay.
Amy Babish [00:28:00]: And we can ask them, did this start with you? Either of you?
Amy Babish [00:28:16]: One said yes and one says no.
Amy Babish [00:28:19]: Which one says which one says yes?
Amy Babish [00:28:23]: She did.
Amy Babish [00:28:24]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:28:25]: It started with her.
Amy Babish [00:28:26]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:28:28]: So this is your great great grandmother. And then your great great grandfather says, no, it didn't start with him. So we're going to go to his parents because we want to go as far as far back when. When it feels like there's some ease, that means we're one step behind it. And then we go back to the time of the intensity. So that's how we know we found the right. The right ancestor. So if you.
Amy Babish [00:28:57]: If you go to your three great, great, grandmother and your great great great grandfather, you can ask, do you carry this pattern to each of them individually? And then did it start with you?
Amy Babish [00:29:21]: I feel stuck on her.
Amy Babish [00:29:23]: Okay.
Jessica Betancourt [00:29:31]: Like, I feel like I want to stay with her.
Amy Babish [00:29:34]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:29:36]: It.
Amy Babish [00:29:36]: Is your great great great grandfather able to clarify, does he carry this pattern? Did it start with him?
Amy Babish [00:29:44]: He said no. No.
Amy Babish [00:29:45]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:29:46]: And with your great great great grandmother, you can say, did this pattern start with you?
Amy Babish [00:29:57]: I'm getting a yes. You know what? Like, I don't know if I'm telling myself these things or.
Amy Babish [00:30:03]: When we're in the systemic field, the systemic field will always reveal itself clearly. So it's easy for our ego and our mind to be like, I made this up. That's very normal. And so the system would. Would be clear in a different way if it was not the case.
Amy Babish [00:30:20]: Oh, weird. Okay, so she hurt her feet or something. She got s.
Amy Babish [00:30:28]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:30:29]: It was either like, she hurt her feet and then got sick because of, like, because of it. So many infection or something.
Amy Babish [00:30:38]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:30:41]: And is she. Is she able to show you how old she was?
Amy Babish [00:30:45]: She, like a kid.
Amy Babish [00:30:47]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:30:47]: Who got sick. And then I see, like a wheelchair later in life.
Amy Babish [00:30:52]: Okay. Okay.
Amy Babish [00:31:00]: She wasn't wanted. Was a dancer. Wanted to ballet, something.
Amy Babish [00:31:05]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:31:09]: People are mean to her.
Amy Babish [00:31:11]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:31:14]: She's really sad. Her parents are mean to her.
Amy Babish [00:31:19]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:31:22]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:31:23]: Like, she was walking, but she doesn't walk. She doesn't walk.
Amy Babish [00:31:27]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:31:30]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:31:35]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:31:35]: What happens for you?
Amy Babish [00:31:40]: I was like, she got sick. She got sick and she couldn't walk.
Amy Babish [00:31:46]: I. I see the tears. I can see it's really touching you.
Amy Babish [00:31:51]: Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:31:56]: And so you can say to her, we always want to say it, like, in a way. That's your word. So I'm gonna Give you kind of statements to try on, and then you say what's resonant to her. I know the pain of not being able to walk.
Amy Babish [00:32:21]: Yeah. I do know the pain of not being able to walk well.
Amy Babish [00:32:27]: And I see how much pain you.
Amy Babish [00:32:31]: Suffered through and I can see the pain that you suffered through and the cruelty you endured. And the cruelty you endured.
Amy Babish [00:32:46]: And what happens when you acknowledge her.
Amy Babish [00:32:52]: Like. Yeah, people are really, really mean. People are really mean to her.
Amy Babish [00:32:57]: Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:32:58]: Like, not just her parents, but, like, people on the street, they, like, pity her.
Amy Babish [00:33:07]: Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:33:11]: Yeah. And she never. I don't know, I feel icy. Like she never got up. Like she never got up.
Amy Babish [00:33:21]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:33:22]: So she stopped living.
Amy Babish [00:33:26]: Much.
Amy Babish [00:33:27]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:33:28]: I can feel like my throat is really tight.
Amy Babish [00:33:31]: Yep. Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:33:34]: You can ask her if. If this broke her heart.
Amy Babish [00:33:39]: Yeah. She said, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:33:42]: So if it feels true to her or feels true to you, you can say to her, I belong to your pain and heartbreak around not being able to walk and live fully.
Amy Babish [00:34:07]: Oh, I belong to your pain and heartbreak and not being able to walk or do what you want to do.
Amy Babish [00:34:16]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:34:22]: And what happens when she hears that.
Amy Babish [00:34:31]: Like, yeah, this sucks. Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:34:35]: And what happens for you when you acknowledge that that's where your belonging lives?
Amy Babish [00:34:40]: It feels like not mine.
Amy Babish [00:34:42]: Yes.
Amy Babish [00:34:43]: Yes.
Amy Babish [00:34:43]: Yes. Yeah. Feels like not mine.
Amy Babish [00:34:47]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:34:48]: Is this maybe the first time you're recognizing that.
Amy Babish [00:34:52]: What did you say, Amy?
Amy Babish [00:34:53]: Is this. Is this the first time that you're recognizing maybe the plantar fasciitis, maybe the rock on your heart isn't yours?
Amy Babish [00:35:02]: I feel like I've known that, but, like, I've wanted to resonate with that more, but, like, it feels more valid.
Amy Babish [00:35:12]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:35:17]: So the next. The next part of the process is that we're going to tune into a resource for her. And so it might be something very concrete. It might be something that comes through with your kind of your sense of the systemic field. But we're just going to take a moment to tune in. What would be a resource that wasn't available to. Available to her at that time and the system is. Is ready to support her with now?
Amy Babish [00:35:50]: Well, this. Just, like this part of this thing that I'm making up or not making up was that she didn't want to be married to who she was married to, but she couldn't leave him because she was a dependent and alterabled person and had no, like, money of her own. And, like, no, if she left this person she didn't want to be married to, she would, like, be on the streets Basically.
Amy Babish [00:36:17]: Okay. And as you name that, what do you notice.
Amy Babish [00:36:26]: That I feel like that, too.
Amy Babish [00:36:29]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:36:32]: Not that I don't want to be.
Jessica Betancourt [00:36:34]: With my husband, but.
Amy Babish [00:36:37]: Feeling like, financially safe has always just felt really like a threat to me. Like, I don't want to leave my husband by any means, but, like, I think about what my own financial wealth, independent of him, what a healthy version of that would be, just for my own safety and, like, for the safety of my kids.
Amy Babish [00:37:10]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:37:16]: Like, it doesn't incapacitate me, but I definitely think about it a lot.
Amy Babish [00:37:20]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:37:21]: So you can share with her. I also belong to part of your experience with being financially dependent on a husband.
Amy Babish [00:37:32]: Yeah. I resonate with that painful feeling of being afraid that you have to depend on somebody else to take care of you or help you or like, you can't survive without them.
Amy Babish [00:37:56]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:38:00]: And what happens when she hears you in that connection that you both carry?
Amy Babish [00:38:07]: She's like, yeah, it's scary. And I hate this. And I don't know how I, like, why is kind of like, why was this my life? Like, why was this my experience?
Amy Babish [00:38:18]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:38:20]: Like, I didn't want any of that.
Amy Babish [00:38:25]: So it feels important that we tune into the historical context of this, even though we don't consciously, logically, intellectually know. But ask her if she can show us what was going on historically or culturally or in her community, that is going to help us, I think, get a sense of what this is about.
Amy Babish [00:38:50]: I don't know if this is, like, overlap with movies and stuff, but, like, it's like Nazi Germany.
Amy Babish [00:38:56]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:38:57]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:38:58]: And like, she's scared.
Amy Babish [00:39:02]: Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:39:06]: I don't know. Like, she is. Wants to leave. Like leave the country. Leave.
Amy Babish [00:39:13]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:39:15]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:39:16]: There's something about Jewish people. I don't know if anybody in my family. Jewish ancestry, but, like, definitely Germanically based or as far as I can trace back. But some thing presencing about Jewish culture. Jewish. A Jewish person around her or her. I can't tell.
Amy Babish [00:39:50]: So we can ask her.
Amy Babish [00:39:51]: He's just scared. Like, it has to hide. Hide or. But oh, my God, that was weird. Her disability.
Amy Babish [00:39:59]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:39:59]: Protected her.
Amy Babish [00:40:01]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:40:05]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:40:06]: So you can ask her. Are you able to share with me if you're Jewish?
Amy Babish [00:40:13]: She said yes.
Amy Babish [00:40:15]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:40:16]: Or her grant. Her mom.
Amy Babish [00:40:19]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:40:20]: Is Jewish. Or her. The women are Jewish.
Amy Babish [00:40:24]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:40:25]: On her side.
Amy Babish [00:40:28]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:40:29]: Not her husband. Oh, weird.
Amy Babish [00:40:32]: Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:40:35]: So we're going to bring in a resource for her and for that part of it's your paternal lineage, but it's her maternal lineage. So it's your bigger Paternal lineage. But we're gonna. We're gonna bring in a resource that helps to acknowledge the victim perpetrator bond of Nazi Germany. And so even though she was Jewish, she also was German, and that internalized victim perpetrator bond was within her. So tuning into the field, we can ask what resource was needed for her, for her mom, for anyone else that was in her Jewish community or in a community of people that have both German and Jew Jewishness in their lineage.
Amy Babish [00:41:47]: I don't know if it was a resource that they wanted, like, to have their identity.
Amy Babish [00:41:54]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:41:58]: To be who fully who they are.
Amy Babish [00:42:00]: They didn't want to hide. They wanted, like their heirlooms and their things.
Amy Babish [00:42:06]: Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:42:10]: So if we can call on a resource that humanizes in this experience Jewish women and Jewish people and Jewish disabled children, Just see if anything starts to appear or we might notice.
Amy Babish [00:42:42]: I see a bunch of candles.
Amy Babish [00:42:44]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:42:50]: So we can feel into. Sometimes this resource goes beyond what. What the. The systemic field wasn't able to fully receive because of what was happening with. Within Nazi Germany, with the Nazis. So this, outside of a time of Nazi Germany might have been much safer for them. So we can ask. It might be about lighting Shabbat candles.
Amy Babish [00:43:17]: It might be something. Something deeply sacred to them. It might be a ritual. It might be gathering together. We can tune in and ask what's the bigger resource that would have been supportive that can support them now?
Amy Babish [00:43:37]: Well, it's like I went like, whoosh, like back.
Amy Babish [00:43:40]: Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:43:41]: Like people just. They want their land.
Amy Babish [00:43:45]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:43:50]: So we can bring in, we don't know, the actual land of that part of your lineage, this great, great, great great grandmothers, the land that her. Her lineage comes from. We're going to bring in that land resource from whatever, whatever homelands, wherever they have had to run, wander from, evacuate, leave, run from, for safety. We're going to reunite that land within the systemic field from however far back. We need to go all the way down to this great, great, great, great grandmother and through the line through your dad to you.
Amy Babish [00:44:47]: Yeah. They want to farm these guys. You want to work on their land.
Amy Babish [00:44:54]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:44:55]: So give them. Allow that resource to evolve into a farming. A land that can be farmed, Land that they can steward and be in relationship with.
Amy Babish [00:45:30]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:45:31]: What happens?
Amy Babish [00:45:35]: Can see. I can see her as a little kid. Yeah, yeah. Like a farmer.
Amy Babish [00:45:46]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:45:48]: How does she look now?
Amy Babish [00:45:51]: Looks happy. She's in the dirt.
Amy Babish [00:45:54]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:45:55]: Playing in the dirt.
Amy Babish [00:45:57]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:45:59]: And what happens for you?
Amy Babish [00:46:07]: Well, it's funny because we recently bought Farmland.
Amy Babish [00:46:11]: Okay.
Amy Babish [00:46:15]: No coincidences.
Amy Babish [00:46:17]: And my husband is like, you need to come plant with me. Yeah, yeah. They're giving me, like, a lot of flack for him, my husband and our farm partners for, like, not going over there all the time like they do.
Amy Babish [00:46:32]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And do you notice any other ancestors moving forward after your great great great grandmother? We touched on with a lot of them. Can you see how this has also supported them perhaps all the way down to your dad?
Amy Babish [00:46:56]: He always wanted a farm, too. He did have one.
Amy Babish [00:47:00]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:47:26]: What happens now?
Amy Babish [00:47:34]: Well, my dad is energy is like, really, really.
Amy Babish [00:47:40]: I couldn't hear. You said my dad's energy is really, really something.
Amy Babish [00:47:44]: He. I don't know what's up. He's, like, really irritated.
Amy Babish [00:47:51]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:47:52]: Not with me.
Amy Babish [00:47:54]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:47:56]: With himself.
Amy Babish [00:47:58]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:48:05]: And he just. I don't know. He, like, can't let go. I can't.
Amy Babish [00:48:12]: So can you turn to your dad?
Amy Babish [00:48:13]: He's so attached to suffering. Like, that's what I'm getting. He's so. So identifies with, like, people do him wrong. Like, he lives through that mindset, and so he's not budging.
Amy Babish [00:48:33]: So we're going to say to your dad, the victim, perpetrator, bond of your great great grandmother of being terrified in Nazi Germany lives. It lives in you. And it lived in me.
Amy Babish [00:48:51]: I said it to him. Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:48:53]: You say this to him.
Amy Babish [00:49:01]: Yeah. Victim, perpetrator, bond. That is from generation. So lives in you, like it lives in me.
Amy Babish [00:49:14]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:49:17]: And are you able to see him more as a whole person now, understanding the roots of his pain? Part of the roots of his pain.
Amy Babish [00:49:28]: Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:49:33]: So you can see, you can say to him, dad, if it's true, if you're able to say it, and if not, we'll find the right statement. I see the complexity that we all come from in this family, in this lineage.
Amy Babish [00:49:53]: Yeah, Dad. I see the complexity, that complexity that we all come through in this.
Amy Babish [00:50:01]: And the suffering that has been passed down generation after generation.
Amy Babish [00:50:05]: The suffering that's passed down generation after generation.
Amy Babish [00:50:10]: And I also see the humanity of our Jewish lineage.
Amy Babish [00:50:19]: And I also see the humanity of a Jewish lineage, maybe our Jewish lineage.
Amy Babish [00:50:27]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:50:29]: And I see the healing or the aliveness when they're connected to farming the land.
Amy Babish [00:50:38]: And I see the healing and the aliveness when they're connected to the land.
Amy Babish [00:50:44]: And I see that that longing lived in you, dad.
Amy Babish [00:50:49]: And I see that that longing life still lives in you.
Amy Babish [00:50:53]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:50:55]: And I'm connected to you with that longing.
Amy Babish [00:51:00]: I'm connected to you with that longing.
Amy Babish [00:51:03]: With our own farmland.
Amy Babish [00:51:14]: He'S kind of happy for me.
Amy Babish [00:51:16]: Yeah. What's it like?
Amy Babish [00:51:18]: Like, jealous too.
Amy Babish [00:51:20]: Yeah, it's complicated. Complicated.
Amy Babish [00:51:23]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:51:24]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:51:27]: Like, he wants me to take care of him.
Amy Babish [00:51:30]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:51:32]: So we're going to ask the land and his ancestors to embrace him. So that might be that he's in that land, he's connected to it. He's with. He's with the corn or he's with the bounty, the harvest. All of those ancestors can line up behind him or encircle him and just let that healing movement come through the land, through the people, through their energy bodies into his body.
Amy Babish [00:52:31]: I have, like, a sense of they accept him.
Amy Babish [00:52:34]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:52:35]: So they can say to him, you belong to us.
Amy Babish [00:52:49]: He feels, like, safer.
Amy Babish [00:52:52]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:52:58]: Is there anything else you feel like, you know, you want to name with your dad as you see him being safely held and taken care of?
Amy Babish [00:53:07]: He feels more peaceful.
Amy Babish [00:53:09]: Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:53:18]: He feels like pinches. Feels like it's easier for him to let go of. Feeling afraid.
Amy Babish [00:53:36]: Yes.
Amy Babish [00:53:43]: He's gonna be okay.
Amy Babish [00:53:45]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:53:48]: And can you feel that pinch? Does that belong to.
Amy Babish [00:53:56]: No, I think it affected by him.
Amy Babish [00:54:01]: Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:54:05]: There's a. There's a healing statement that we can say if it feels aligned, you can kind of turn around and look at your dad, look at the whole system on your dad's side that we've been with today with the land moving forward. And you're. You're kind of in the present moment here, and they're. They're in the field behind you, but your turn facing them.
Amy Babish [00:54:28]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:54:30]: So you just take in. Take them in. This is. This is who you come from on your dad's side.
Amy Babish [00:54:41]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:54:44]: They're all very white, very blonde. White people.
Amy Babish [00:54:50]: Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:54:51]: Super nice.
Amy Babish [00:54:54]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:54:56]: So you can. You can acknowledge them and acknowledge your Jewish heritage that's been kept secret out of fear and out of complexity and necessity. So you can say in your own words, I Now, see, I come from a very complex system filled with terror of survival, dependency on men, and a disconnection from the land and heartbreak that felt like a rock on my chest.
Amy Babish [00:55:34]: I see all that. I see, like, this loss of identity.
Amy Babish [00:55:39]: Yes.
Amy Babish [00:55:41]: And so people not knowing where they belong or who they belong to.
Amy Babish [00:55:49]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [00:55:56]: And you can say to them, I see that you belong to land that you had to leave and that you're reconnected to it now.
Amy Babish [00:56:07]: See that you belong to a land that you have to leave, that you belong to. Farm. Yeah. There. There was like a bunch. Like a bunch of farmers, you know?
Amy Babish [00:56:21]: Yeah, yeah. I See that the perpetrator bond was omitted in our family history. And I can see your aliveness now and your joy now that you're reconnected to the land and your sense of safety and belonging.
Amy Babish [00:57:03]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:57:06]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:57:09]: They all seem pretty peaceful.
Amy Babish [00:57:11]: Yep.
Amy Babish [00:57:11]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:57:12]: My dad still feels like it's complicated.
Amy Babish [00:57:19]: There's. There's another. There's another.
Amy Babish [00:57:21]: He's like, no. He, like, no.
Amy Babish [00:57:26]: So you can say, dad, I know we're not finished yet.
Amy Babish [00:57:30]: Part of him is like, thank you. And then there's this, like, strong resistance part of him.
Amy Babish [00:57:35]: Yeah, you can say. You can say, we're not done yet, dad. And I see that. And it's one layer at a time.
Amy Babish [00:57:46]: Yeah, we're not done yet, dad. Yeah, can see that.
Amy Babish [00:57:53]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:57:57]: And what you're going to say, you're going to really focus on this initial ancestor that we connected with, which is your great, great great grandmother, who was in. In the wheelchair, who had to hide, who had to be married out of survival, who's now in the farm in the dirt having fun. You're gonna say to her and to the whole system, I take my life back from you.
Amy Babish [00:58:23]: I take my life back from you.
Amy Babish [00:58:26]: And you're gonna also say to your dad, I take my life back from you, too.
Amy Babish [00:58:31]: Glad. I take my life back from you, too.
Amy Babish [00:58:37]: And I want to move forward.
Amy Babish [00:58:41]: And I want to move forward with ease.
Amy Babish [00:58:45]: And walking in my own life.
Amy Babish [00:58:48]: Walking.
Amy Babish [00:58:49]: In my own life with really strong.
Amy Babish [00:58:53]: Healthy feet, really strong, healthy feet, solid foundation in my body, and with the.
Amy Babish [00:59:04]: Heart that can love and be loved with safety as my whole self, with.
Amy Babish [00:59:10]: A heart that can love and be loved in with safety that we said as my full self.
Amy Babish [00:59:22]: Is there anything else you want to name with them as you take your life back?
Amy Babish [00:59:39]: My dad is sad. Yeah, he's sad. And he, like, wants me to fix that for him.
Amy Babish [00:59:48]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [00:59:50]: So that's another layer. And what we can say in the field is you're the little one, and he's the big one. And we can ask the ancestral field to say that to him. He's the big one, and you're the little one.
Amy Babish [01:00:15]: He wants to be the little one.
Amy Babish [01:00:17]: Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish [01:00:18]: And he is the little one for his parents, but not for you.
Amy Babish [01:00:24]: Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish [01:00:30]: And so it could be his parents, it could be his grandparents, it could be his great great grandparents, but they'll say to him, we can take care of you now. She's our descendant. It's not her job. Yeah. What happens. What happens for you now?
Amy Babish [01:01:07]: Feels like okay, now.
Amy Babish [01:01:09]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [01:01:12]: Oh, he feels, like, less clingy to me.
Amy Babish [01:01:16]: Yeah. Yeah.
Amy Babish [01:01:18]: So our last movement is for you to turn around from them. So in your imaginal space, your liminal space that you're going to just. They're all behind you. And if it really helps to feel that land connection, you can face your own life now, Jessica, and just allow yourself to take some steps. You might be dancing, you might be running, but let yourself feel that forward movement. Now that we've worked on this layer.
Amy Babish [01:02:01]: I just told them that I was going to go. Now you can say, I'm going to go.
Amy Babish [01:02:07]: Life on my own terms.
Amy Babish [01:02:15]: Yeah. I was kind of like, I gotta go, like, while I'm still here. Like, I really have to, like, be here while I was still here. Yeah, yeah.
Amy Babish [01:02:32]: Take some water.
Amy Babish [01:02:34]: I love water. Yeah, that's good. It's like, I avoid my dad things.
Amy Babish [01:02:48]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [01:02:50]: Because I'm just like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I've done that. I did it, like, a lot. And it just gets exhausting. You know, you leave it for a little bit.
Amy Babish [01:03:02]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [01:03:04]: And in this way of systemically working with our field, sometimes things for our back have to be sorted out before we can do the work up close, and sometimes it's opposite. Sometimes for some people, we have to do the work up close, and then we do the work of the past. It's just each person's system is quite unique. And there was. There was some movement today with your whole field, all the way down to your dad. And it's. There's another. There's.
Amy Babish [01:03:36]: There's more layers. Right. And in your own body. What does it feel like now?
Amy Babish [01:03:45]: I feel. I feel good now. I still feel. I feel, like, residual things moving around.
Amy Babish [01:03:51]: Yep.
Amy Babish [01:03:54]: Emotionally, if you will.
Jessica Betancourt [01:03:56]: It's interesting.
Amy Babish [01:03:57]: Like, I was not expecting to be a Jewish ancestor, but my sister, one of my sisters, since always has been, like, obsessed with Yiddish. Wants to find a Jewish partner, loves Jewish culture and humor. And it was. Never mind. Like, I've had a Jewish boyfriend. I appreciate Jewish people and culture. But, like, she really had this, like.
Jessica Betancourt [01:04:22]: Drive to, like, be a Jewish person.
Amy Babish [01:04:27]: Because maybe that's her. That's her connection. Maybe she's intended with someone who's like, that's the safe way. That's what we want. That's the alive way. That's the forward movement.
Amy Babish [01:04:39]: Yeah. So interesting. And I've been seeing cornfields, like, in my meditations and things. Generally, it's not been in the Midwest area, although this felt like, very presence there in that geographical zone. But it's been more to the west. Like, there's been corn. A constant showing of corn for me lately. Yeah.
Amy Babish [01:05:07]: So it's interesting to see the synchronicities.
Amy Babish [01:05:12]: Yeah. All the connections. Yeah. Everything.
Amy Babish [01:05:14]: Yeah. All the connection unrelated.
Amy Babish [01:05:16]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [01:05:18]: So as we close the field, you know, this is. Or just layers. And when you feel that sense of something happening with pain in your feet or the rock on your heart, one resource for you is to call in that land resource, the ancient lands of your Jewish lineage. And it might be, like, metaphorical. You might get more specificity. So it's like that can be something that can bring whatever was missing for that part of your lineage that also lived in, down through your dad, that can come into your physical body, your emotional body, your energetic body, your thinking mind. And when your kids are pressing all the buttons, it's like that land for all of you. Like, it's like you bring that field into the.
Amy Babish [01:06:14]: The.
Amy Babish [01:06:17]: Kitchen.
Amy Babish [01:06:20]: Yeah. Onto the current land that you're on. You just ask it to support the current land that you're on. So it's like it becomes a yes. And it's like, yes, we're grateful to be on this land, and we want to bring in the land that was our people had to run from or they were exiled from. We don't know the specific land yet, but it's a land resource. And so you can even experiment with bringing that land in. You can just say, can you be a part of my kitchen? Or can you be a part of my home where my kids go to sleep or I go to sleep? And so it's not just there when it's like the pressure cooker moments, but it's.
Amy Babish [01:07:02]: It's there as a continuous, evolving experience. And you can ask your ancestors and the land to help you with the farming with your husband. Like, I want to reconnect. I want to find a connection with land on my own terms. I know you, my ancestors, have that deep resource, that deep contact, and I want to find my own way with the land.
Amy Babish [01:07:30]: Yeah, I like that.
Amy Babish [01:07:31]: Yeah.
Amy Babish [01:07:33]: Thank you so much.
Amy Babish [01:07:35]: You're welcome. Do you have any questions before we close up? Anything else you want to name? Anything else you want to present?
Amy Babish [01:07:44]: No, I feel like I want to do some research. It's always interesting, you know, you do sessions and, like, you have immediate shifts, you know, in your energy and how you feel, but then you really notice, like, as you go through your Dailiness. Yeah.
Amy Babish [01:08:01]: Your life.
Amy Babish [01:08:02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm interested I'm excited to, like, see how it spins out and evolves in my 3D reality.
Amy Babish [01:08:13]: And you can also tune into your ancestors and say, can you help me find things in the physical world? Not, you know, I'm so grateful for the energetic and spiritual connections, but can you also guide me to a library or to resources to help me to understand this?
Amy Babish [01:08:30]: Cool. Yeah. Thank you so much.
Amy Babish [01:08:35]: Thank you so much, Jessica.
Amy Babish [01:08:37]: Wonderful. Thank you.
Amy Babish [01:08:39]: So for those of you listening, thank you so much for tuning in today. If you would like to have a session like this with me, it's listed under my 90 minute session. Sometimes they're 90 minutes, sometimes they're a little bit shorter, sometimes they're a bit longer. But it's under the Work with Me session and you can apply to work with me to ensure that we're a really good match for you and your ancestors. If this episode resonates with you, please leave me a review on whatever platform you listen to podcasts and I can't wait to tune in with you into our next episode. Take gentle care.
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