When Give and Take is Skewed by an Ancient Life Agreement
There's a place in the continuum of the wholeness where ancient wisdom belongs, but it's not the cure-all for everything.
Alli made an ancient life agreement long before she incarnated, and it's been running the show ever since.
Alli is a gifted, multifaceted person who can walk into nearly any room and just get it. She sees the blind spots and connects the dots for everyone around her. And yet, when it comes to clarity about her own higher purpose, it feels like there's a blackout curtain in front of her face.
In this episode, I work with Alli in real time to identify, unravel, and update this life agreement.
What starts as a conversation about purpose and career clarity flows into ancient wisdom traditions, soul-level agreements made against divine advice, and what it actually looks like when an opportunity to reconsider an agreement finally arrives.
You’ll especially want to tune into this client session if you, too:
» feel like there’s a block you can’t see
» give a ton of effort, but are bored easily
» are tired of the hamster wheel you’ve been on
» are usually better than average at what you do
» connect very easily with others and just know what they need
» are confused about give and take
Topics covered in this podcast episode:
What life agreements are and when they’re made
How life agreements impact a person here on Earth
How Amy can figure out what the exact life agreement is
The importance of it being the right time to reconsider an agreement
Types of struggles common for folks who have these agreements
What the process is once a life agreement is uncovered and the timing is right
The #1 agreement to avoid as a business owner & service provider taking on clients
How the clarity around life agreements helps you professionally and personally
What integration is like after updating a life agreement
Tips on how to connect with new guides
Thank you to Alli for your transparency and your directness. For those of you who have taken this journey with us today, I invite you to sit with your own agreements, the things that seem to never shift and really get curious.
Thank you for joining us and being a part of this journey!
To explore your own life agreement process, you can always send me an email at: amy@amybabish.com
If this episode resonates, please leave a review on your favorite platform and share this episode with those who you think might benefit.
Until we meet again, I'm sending blessings from the Doeg land I steward.
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[00:01:29] Welcome to the Soulful Visionary Podcast. I'm your host, Amy Babish, and I'm excited today to welcome in a colleague and a friend of mine, Ally. We have known each other for a few years from a, a professional training that we did together, and I'm excited to offer support to Ally today and her field. Um, welcome in, Ally.
[00:01:50] Thank you. I'm so excited to be here, Amy. So excited. I'm so excited. So, um, if you've been listening here for a while, you know that I have a, like, an intake form that I, that I ask, um, podcast guests to complete before they come on. So I have a, like, a rough sketch of what we might be working on, but also things can change between when someone fills it out and when they come on.
[00:02:14] And today I wanna hil- highlight some of Ally's, um, words specifically because I think they will resonate with many listeners. Mm-hmm. So, you know, I ask in many different ways to kind of, um, get at what's at the crux of someone's experience before they come on, and we're still not quite at the crux, but this is very, gonna be very helpful for listeners and, and for you to hear back from me, I think.
[00:02:38] Mm-hmm. So these are Ally's words. Um, "I always have great ideas, great connections, and then success doesn't always land, or I have success, but it is not the kind I want." So, like, let's just, like, let that, like, boom, land in the field. Like- Mm-hmm ... I think a lot of people can already kinda hear themselves in that.
[00:02:58] Mm-hmm. Uh, and then you say, "For example, I'm not having success in my business versus I can have 'success' within a company. I use success in quotes because I pick up quickly, and I'm usually better than average at what I do, and it has been easy for me to, to have success in companies even though if, even if I hate a job or perhaps the role, um, I'm miserable in."
[00:03:25] Mm-hmm. Then we're gonna continue on. "I give a ton of effort, but I get bored easily." Yes. "It's almost like I can envision what my outcome is, and I feel how awesome it is, and then I move on." Mm-hmm. "The feeling of the experience, even though it didn't actually happen, is almost enough for me." Mm-hmm. "It's like there's a block that I cannot see."
[00:03:48] Yep. So What I'm gonna say is just praise be. I think a lot of people experience something like this. If it's not in their work in the world, it's in relationships. Right. So I think a lot of people are gonna vibe with our conversation and your process. Yay. So thank you for being vulnerable and willing to be here.
[00:04:08] So, um, with... You have your own business at this point. I do. And you're kind of at the crossroads of interviewing, um, for some other companies, so that's why you're like, "Let's do this. Let's get clear." Let's. Um- Timely ... ti- very timely. Mm-hmm. So in your own words, what would you say your intention is? Like, outside of the process, like, what would you really, really, truly desire?
[00:04:31] I truly desire feeling clear and connected to what I'm doing so I can fully engage with my business, whatever that is, whether it's my own business or working with a company, so I can fully engage with it in all my energies. 'Cause right now it feels like my energy is just siphoned in so many different directions, and I get distracted easily, and I change paths really easily because I feel like that clarity has never landed for me.
[00:05:02] Okay. Um, yeah, so I just wanna be clear on where I'm going. And, and for some people... This is, like, not mandatory, but I'm just kind of, like, getting to the nuance of it. For some people it's about, like, um, their creative contribution or their mission or, like, a path. Do you feel like it's something like that, or is it more- Yeah
[00:05:22] personal or destiny? I feel like it's tied to... Not to be cliche, but it's tied to my higher purpose and, like- Yes ... what my purpose is here, and I feel like I've been, like, slowly getting to it, but I feel like... I in- intuitively, intuitively feel like my purpose is very nuanced and very niche, and I'm having a hard time getting to that, but that niche- Yeah.
[00:05:43] Yeah. I have, I have chills, and so this is like bam, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. We're, we're on the right path. Um- Great. So before we got on today and when I first read your, um, your kind of podcast guest intake form, I got that this is not ancestral and it's not past life. It's a life agreement. So- Okay ... we are in the territory of life agreement, and, um- You know, this is, this is only really, like, the second episode of Deviness Out Loud, it, it, on the interwebs, so we're gonna, we're gonna talk through it in a way that makes sense to you and me, but then also for people who are listening.
[00:06:22] So, um, life agreements are not, like, any one way. Like, they can be positive, neutral, neutral, or they can be, like, challenging. Mm-hmm. And sometimes we have life agreements that, um, are very complicated, and this is one of those. Ooh, fun. And so this is a life agreement that you in your infinite wisdom and your infinite being-ness- Mm-hmm
[00:06:43] before, um, you incarnated a long, long, long time ago, like- Mm ... long. We'll just say it like that. Mm-hmm. Um, you decided in... You, you weren't Allie back then, but you were Allie, so- Right ... you were, you were, like, more like a being. Mm-hmm. And so in your infinite wisdom, you were like, "I, I don't understand why humans have a hard time understanding their higher purpose."
[00:07:10] Yeah. And you, you kind of like... Uh, it was more like... It was light-hearted. It was like you kind of oversimplified it, so you're like, "If they just have this," and it was what you were, kind of like what you brought to the table- Mm-hmm ... then, then figuring out one's life purpose would be, like, super easy. Yeah. And so you, you kind of, like, oversimplified the challenges that, um, here, here on Earth that we have.
[00:07:38] Yes. As people. I feel that. And, you know- When we have one of these life agreements that I have been told they're, like, equivalent to, like, AMA, like against medical advice, for those of... We have people listening from all over the world here. So- Mm-hmm ... in, even in the United States these days, it's very, um, unusual for a person to stay in the hospital beyond a couple days, even for serious s- surgery.
[00:08:05] So if someone wants to leave against a, a doctor's advice, we know it's really serious, and it's called AMA, um, in the United States. So in the spiritual realm, it, it can be different kind of guides or beings that we went against their, their advice on. Right. And so this is an agreement that you made with yourself.
[00:08:26] Mm-hmm. It was, it was not, like, coerced. There was no manipulation. And the way that we kind of, um, like suss out what it is, is like two parts. It's first understanding what you were, what you brought to the table, and then understanding how you minimized- Mm-hmm ... it. Yeah. And so when we have this kind of agreement, um, we don't know the terms and conditions, so we don't know the fine print.
[00:08:54] Right. And you have been in industries where there was a lot of fine print for a lot of different things, so you understand that term. Yeah. Um, and when we are, like, in the throes of it, it's... This is not usually, like, someone's first lifetime of being in the receiving end of the terms and agreement, of the terms a- and conditions of the agreement.
[00:09:15] Mm-hmm. So it's very rare that it's, like, every lifetime you did this, worked on this- Right ... specific thing that you shouldn't have said yes to or insisted on. Yes. Um, but this is, this is a lifetime where it's, um, available to be, um, amended. Awesome. So, um, in another wisdom tradition, um, so in Zen, in Zen Buddhism, they talk about, like, the gates, the gates opening when changes can happen.
[00:09:43] Mm-hmm. And they're spiritual gates, and they can't just open like bippity boppity boo or Alakazam Shazam. Like, they only open- ... it, like, when it's, like, the right time. Right. And so you're at a place where this is the right time for you to reconsider this agreement. Awesome. And when, when people ask me to do, to work on these things with them, like sometimes someone's like, "I'm ready.
[00:10:06] Let's do it," and the gates are not open. So that's also an important nuance. Like- Mm-hmm ... you are at a place of, um, discernment in your life where you really are reckoning with things in a deep way, and it might not be like the way a Zen Buddhist does it, but it's the way that your soul, your essence wants to do it, and it's, it's very authentic.
[00:10:24] Okay. Great. I feel that. I feel like it's time, and I've been mulling this over and over and over again. I'm sure it's been in other lifetimes it feels like that. Yeah. A- and, and you, you have so... Like, you're a very multifaceted and gifted person. Mm-hmm. I just was talking with someone else today, very different flavor than you, Ali.
[00:10:45] Mm-hmm. But this person was like, "You know, I just don't know what I am supposed to be doing here." And she's a little bit older than you. She's, you know, in her 50s, and she's like, "I've thought about going back to school to get my PhD in mechanical engineering, I've thought about doing something with quantum physics, or I've thought about being a kindergarten teacher.
[00:11:05] Like, I could do everything." Yeah. And, and you have that kind of structure. Same, same. Yes. Yes. You have that kind of structure. And- Yes ... um, I think for, for listeners, there are many people in my orbit that literally are so gifted and talented and have so much life in them, they literally could do anything.
[00:11:24] Mm-hmm. But, like, the niche of why they're here, the impact they're here to make, or the thing that they're here to fulfill or create contibu- contribution around, it is super niched. Right. And like, you will know it like a ping, like, like a resonant, a resonant experience when you really get it. Mm-hmm. But whatever this agreement is, is preventing you from noticing what it is.
[00:11:47] Yes. It literally feels like there's, like, a curtain in front of my face, and I'm like, "I know it's there." I can feel it, and I can, like, almost see through the curtain, and then it's like, foom, blackout curtain. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So, so this, this is like... There are dis- different nuances to, uh, purpose and to impact and to all those things, and yours is unique to you.
[00:12:11] Mm-hmm. And I would say for those listening who don't have a purpose struggle but it's more relational, there are some people who, like, literally they could be with anyone and, and so then they, then no relationship works out. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So it's like we, we all have this in some different way, and yours is in your career.
[00:12:28] Mm-hmm. And for those listening, for some people, their career is separate from their purpose and mission, so I don't always link career and mission or purpose together, but y- yours, yours, in fact, is. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. So with, with kind of, like, fine-tuning, like, what it was and what you still have is, like, these are...
[00:12:51] It's gonna be something about you, and even in this lifetime, that is undeniable. Mm-hmm. So it's like you know this about yourself, and other people are like, "When I meet Ali, it's like, whoa. It's like this." Mm-hmm. So it's something that i- you have in abundance. It's something that you might have, like- Like, sometimes it feels like supernatural gift set.
[00:13:12] Like, it- Mm-hmm ... doesn't make sense why you have this much of this thing, but it's like, um, it's part of your essence- Mm-hmm ... that you then, like, overestimated that that was the thing to, like, solve for purpose. Okay. And so even though you have it, it's not in fact giving you clarity on your purpose. Yes. So do you have a sense of what that might be?
[00:13:35] Like, it might be something you get compliments about. It might be something like, "Well, I have that, but that's not getting me anything." I mean, you nailed it on the head. There's, there's... And I don't mean to sound like, you know, bigger than myself, but I have a lot of talent, and I... Most things that I do, I'm able to succeed at.
[00:13:57] Um, and I feel like there's a thread in that, and it's usually around, like, I can connect very easily with people. Um, that's a big one. I am very efficient. I can find the efficiencies very easily for people, and it's like I can see their blind spots. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Okay, so I'm starting to get the chills, and that means we're in the right...
[00:14:21] Like, I'm clairsentient, so that's, like, part of the tuning in. Cool. Um, so I'm asking, like, as you speak, is it this or is it that? And it's those, those things are connected. So it is your ability to connect. It's your, um, efficiency. It's your talent, and it's... It is your go, go with the flow-ness. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, and there's something about it's super easy for you to do this with others, but then when it comes to you, it's like it dries up.
[00:14:57] Like, you with you. Me with me. Yeah, so it's like as long as it's in, in... Whatever this agreement is, as long as it is for others, it's, like, super easy. Mm-hmm. So I'm try- I'm looking for, like... It's, like, a word or an adjective or a phrase for... Like, you're gonna feel it, and I'm gonna feel it. Mm-hmm. And you're gonna be like, "Oh, that's it."
[00:15:23] Mm-hmm. And it is about perception. It is definitely about perception Mm-hmm
[00:15:33] So it's like you can see the whole in others, like W-H-O-L-E. You can see the whole of others, like what's- Yeah ... missing, like what their blind spots are. Mm-hmm. Um, like what's needed, and then, um, like how to solve for it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, it's like I can kind of sense it. It's like, um, like a no-brainer for you. It's like beyond no-brainer.
[00:16:02] Yeah. I ... Sometimes it comes to me very ... Like, I can tell ... I can literally sense what people need or can see, like, where the puzzle piece is missing. Yeah. But ... And this, you nailed it on the head earlier, so maybe this is all coming full circle. Sometimes it's, it comes so easily to me that I'm like, "Who am I to know that about them?"
[00:16:25] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like ... So it's about knowing and perceiving, and-
[00:16:38] It's, it's important for you to, for, for us, for you to know, like- Hmm ... what, what you carried at that time. Okay. And so it might be like a old-fashioned word or an old-fashioned attribute
[00:16:58] Um, and so this is, this is what's coming through Mm-hmm Um, you carried ancient wisdom Mm-hmm And in some traditions, like, a, um, a person was the wisdom for the community. Mm-hmm. And it's different than a medicine person. It's different than a medicine woman. Mm-hmm. But it's like a- Like a resource, a font of knowledge, a problem sol- solver, but they also were like, you know, kind of lived alone.
[00:17:31] Mm-hmm. And very solitary. I'm a loner. Yeah. I am definitely a loner. I am such a people person, but I am such a loner. Like, I would be happy alone- Yeah ... just as much as I am with people. So they're very solitary, and they, and they basically h- like, had very little needs, and their needs were provided for by the community.
[00:17:51] Mm-hmm. So, like, food, shelter. It wasn't really payment. Mm-hmm. And so they didn't take payment. I feel that. It's one of my things. Yeah, yeah. It's one of the things that I've had to, like, really overcome, is like how do I, how do I charge people for these things that I know that they need that should be free?
[00:18:16] Yeah, yeah. So when you embodied this ancient wisdom, like i- in its many, many, many, many lifetimes. We can talk about the specificity of how many lifetimes that is later, but this is something where, um... This was a, this was a, something you brought up with, you know, kind of like in a convention style. We would gather and come up with great ideas for the universe, for humanity, and you brought forth your idea of being the ancient wisdom, and you kind of said to the group, kind of a convention of sorts, like, um, "This is...
[00:19:00] Like, wouldn't it be great? I can help humanity with understanding their purpose. They just need to have access to ancient wisdom." Mm-hmm. And, and you're like, "That's all they need. That's what's missing. Like, that's the thing." And then the person that kind of pled to you was Metatron. So Metatron is an archangel.
[00:19:23] Mm-hmm. Very, very old archangel. And Metatron was like, "Hey, hey, hey, girl. Don't do it." Okay. So... And you're like, "But I'm the ancient wisdom. I know things." Mm-hmm. And Metatron was kind of like, "But I, I, I respect that you're the ancient wisdom, and, um, humanity needs more than ancient wisdom to..." Have their fulfill their human experience Mm-hmm And so you brought like a spiritual and energetic wisdom
[00:20:02] And it couldn't be like, it couldn't, it couldn't understand the human experience. So you couldn't understand, like, ancestral agreements. You couldn't understand ancestral entanglements. You couldn't underst- understand past life agreements. Mm-hmm. And you definitely you didn't understand life agreements 'cause you wouldn't have signed your own.
[00:20:23] Yeah. Right. Totally. So, so you understood a lot of things, but you, you couldn't... You oversimplified how complex humans were. Mm-hmm. And you kind of just were like, you know, really ally about it, but, but like I see it, I know it. Like, uh- Mm-hmm ... this is what they need. Yeah. And many, many people do need ancient wisdom.
[00:20:47] That's, that's no joke. But it's not the only thing that we need. Mm-hmm. And so now, in this lifetime, after many lifetimes of trying to bring the ancient wisdom- Yeah ... you are trying to bring the ancient wisdom again. I am. And- Literally. And you are on the receiving end of how hard it is when it's more than ancient wisdom.
[00:21:08] Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, you're deeply connected to ancient wisdom, to wisdom traditions, to just, like, knowing things that there's no, there's no reason why you should know these things. Yeah. Like, it wasn't about studying. Like, it is about, like, being respectful and studying at times, but like, you have worked in many industries, and you just know things and can do things that don't make sense.
[00:21:30] Right. Totally. So you just tap into, like, the wisdom of this profession and the essence of this profession, and you can just, like, execute it. You're like, boop, do it. Yep. Boop. Yeah, I did it. Mm-hmm. You know, I got a sticker for it. Yes. Like, I g- I got a certific- certification. I got a- Yeah ... you know, degree in it.
[00:21:47] Like- Mm-hmm ... I've done all these things. Yeah. And then it was like those weren't specifically, like, for you, and now you're at this precipice of like, should I continue to do something that is, like, with my distillation of wisdom? Mm-hmm. Or do I go and just continue to keep helping others with the wisdom that they're missing?
[00:22:10] Mm-hmm. So that's the, that's the crossroad you're at. Mm-hmm. And the, like, the, the fine, fine print is like, but you didn't wanna take money before. Mm-hmm. So you were just like... It was a very complex confusion. You know, it's, it's, it's like- You, you didn't, you didn't understand money. I still feel that way. So as the wis- wisdom, you're like, "Well, but if people just did their purpose, things would...
[00:22:42] Life would flow, and people would be in right relationship." And so- Mm-hmm ... it wasn't even about... It's so old, it wasn't... Capitalism didn't exist. Um- Yeah ... fiat currency didn't exist when you were bringing this wisdom. Um- Okay ... it's that old. Um- Yeah ... and so you were just like bartering was not even necessary.
[00:23:00] Like, if people just were in right relationship with things- Mm-hmm ... it would be flow. Yeah. And like, I could feel it from the heart. Like, people's- Yeah ... hearts would flow. Right. And so in, in your infinite wisdom- Mm-hmm ... you were like, "Uh, as a bonus, I'm not gonna take real- I'm not really gonna take money for it."
[00:23:23] Mm-hmm. And so when I'm, when I'm, like, going... 'Cause it's very unusual for me to read a whole paragraph from someone's application. But the guidance- Yeah ... was we need to say every single word out loud in, in this recording. Yes. And for you to listen to again in your leisure if you need to. Um- Yes, I will. ... for others, and others who are like, "I'm like Allie.
[00:23:43] Like, what did I just... What did I sign up for?" Yes. So the, the line that's, like, popping out right now is, "The feeling of the experience, even though it didn't actually happen, is almost enough for me." Mm-hmm. And so when you have that kind of wisdom, you can, like, see it play out. Like, "Maybe I don't need to finish this job because, like, I've done my good here, and, like, in six months or two weeks or five years, it's gonna just be perfect here.
[00:24:07] Like, I don't need to stay here anymore." Yep. Yep. So, so therefore you don't have to take money for it. Like- Yeah ... a little bit of money, some money, good enough money. Yeah. Yeah. But then it's all done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and then with your other, with your personal business, it's the same thing. It's like, "Well, I've, I've given you the list of the things, and once you do the things- Mm-hmm
[00:24:33] it's gonna be all sorted, so I only need to see you once, and I'll take only a little money for it." Yes. So- Yeah. So it's, it's starting to come together of, like, what seemed like, um, really good intention. Mm-hmm. It's like now we're seeing the, um- The siloness of infinite wisdom Yeah ... of ancient wisdom. Mm-hmm.
[00:25:01] It's like in a system that is complex and humans are complex and Earth life is complex Right ... there needs to be a, um, equal give and take. Mm-hmm. And you didn't understand give and take. Mm-hmm. 'Cause you didn't need that as ancient wisdom. So I would just give and not take? Is that what- Yeah ... you're ... Yeah.
[00:25:24] Yeah. Yeah. That- Like you took the bare minimum. Yeah. And I would say that that's true in everything that I do. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So the balance of give and take are impacted by this agreement. Mm-hmm. And like also your, your mis- your, your oversimplification of why, why, um, humans need that. Hmm. Okay. So it's, it's at this juncture of, like, if you took this on for all of humanity for, you know, millennia- Mm-hmm
[00:26:01] more than millennia. Mm-hmm. Um, m- millennia plus, plus, plus, plus, plus. Plus, plus, yes. Um, it's like you've been doing it this way for a really long time. Yeah. And so when we do this life, life agreement process, it's like are you ready to do it differently? Like, are you ready to have an equal give and take, and that will change things dramatically.
[00:26:24] Yes. I definitely am. Yeah. I definitely am 'cause it feels like... What's the saying? The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over again. Yeah. That's what it feels like. Yeah. I'm just like, "I don't understand. What is happening?" Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it, it doesn't make sense. Mm-hmm.
[00:26:47] Like, I, I can also feel like you're really ready with hu- humility, and that's also part of it, like, that you understand that, like- Mm-hmm ... there's a, there's a place in the continuum of the wholeness where- Yeah ... ancient wisdom belongs. Yeah. But it's not the cure-all for everything. Yes. Yes. And that- I definitely understand that.
[00:27:07] Um, I definitely understand the over... Like, what you're saying about oversimplifying and believing that, like, if you just do this, this, this, like, you're all good. Yeah. Like, go on, be happy. Yeah. Why aren't you happy? Of course. Yeah. Yeah. A- and that even though there, you're, like, literally, like, your essence doesn't need much- Mm-hmm
[00:27:32] you still want more than, like, the breadcrumbs. Mm-hmm. Yes. And it's not a b- Yeah ... like, this is where it's like it's not a belief. Like, you and I are both trained in NLP. Mm-hmm. It's not a belief. Right. You cannot NLP my way out of this. No. I've tried. Right. So it's, like, it, it's beyond comprehension. Mm-hmm. And it's, um- Like you're really ready 'cause you have done a ton of work on like- Mm-hmm
[00:28:00] why does this keep on happening? And like, I don't understand. And- Mm ... so this is like the deeper, the, you know, this is the deeper wisdom of this one. Okay. Like it's, it's- Like, another part of your application was like, just I take really good ... I, I do really well when people give me direct- Yes ... directions.
[00:28:21] Mm-hmm. And so this one is like Ancient wisdom doesn't deal with directness. That's also the other part of ancient wisdom. Mm-hmm. Ancient wisdom is like you stay behind the questions, and you stay behind the medicine. And This, I can f- I can sense with this agreement is that you're really good at giving people direct directions, and you're really good at receiving them.
[00:28:43] Mm-hmm. But it's very hard for you to take them. Mm-hmm. Like, like for you to g- for you to distill it from your field or from your guidance or from... Like, that's the part where the block is. Yeah. No, I 1000% feel that. So it's like- Yeah ... it's, like, so, so intricately woven of, like, oh, this, this part impacted this piece.
[00:29:06] Mm-hmm. And so it's like good intentions. We can see how the good intentions that, that omitted give and take. Mm-hmm. They omitted that wisdom would actually ever need anything. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Like, that is, like, pretty profound. Yeah. Yeah. Like yeah, wisdom actually needs other things too- Yeah ... in a human form.
[00:29:31] Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, if you were... You know, e- even a mountain needs things. Even water needs things. Yeah. And it's like the most, like, essential parts of, like, substance and matter and energy- Mm-hmm ... to coexist, they still need other things, and it's a give and take. Yeah. But ancient wisdom was like, "I don't need anything."
[00:29:53] Yeah. I got it all. Bare minimum. Yeah. I got this. I got this. Yeah. Yeah. And, and that can give you, like, also, like, food for thought around why you have, like, in some ways survived and thrived off of so little at different points of your trajectory- Hmm ... in this lifetime alone. Mm-hmm. I'm... I can survive off of nothing.
[00:30:15] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it, it, like, makes you resilient as fuck. Yes. But also it's like, "Oh, wow, that's... I, I chose, like, really, really hard path." Yes. That's what it feels like. It feels like, "Okay, this, I can do this. I've done it. I keep doing it, but it would be really nice to feel, like, supported and taken care of."
[00:30:38] Yeah. Yeah. And, and with, like, with all of these agreements, like, ancient wisdom was like, "I literally need nothing else, including, like, give and take, including support, like, anything." Yeah. So- Like, I only need water. I only need food. Right. Right. That's, that's all I need. Yeah, it's like the b- very, very, very bare minimum.
[00:30:58] Mm-hmm. And so, like, to comprehend, um... Like, there's so many gifts around having this kind of ancient wisdom that you carry. Mm-hmm. And thoroughness and talent and execution and seeing. Mm-hmm. But it's like, it's kinda like you took on- Like this other person I was speaking today, um, she's in, in Brooklyn. She's like, "I step out in the street and I see 100 people, and I see 100 people's, like, fields and their needs and, like, everything, and it's way too much for me."
[00:31:29] Mm-hmm. And so yours is different than that, but when you go into a company- Mm-hmm ... you're kind of doing that. Like, you see it, everything everywhere all at once. But then when you do that, then you... There's no- nothing left for you. Right. Yes. Mm-hmm. And also, like we've talked about before, you've mentioned on some, some group calls that we've been on, like, you're not so sure about, like, offering one-to-one work because it's like...
[00:31:51] I, I imagine it's... You even said this, but I'm now knowing you and this part of the agreement. Mm-hmm. I imagine it's, like, way too much too, because you, you just kind of see it all. Right. Yeah. It's, it's overwhelming to be that close to somebody's needs because I can see it, I can sense it. I second-guess myself because I'm like, "How would I know this about them?"
[00:32:18] And then it's hard... I find it hard to be that honest with somebody, 'cause it's like it's so specific, and it's the thing that they need the most. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So, so part of this, you know... There's a process, but part of it is when you're going through this, um, whatever update we're gonna do- Yes
[00:32:47] will be done for you on your behalf. There's gonna be a master refinement of, like, what is mine? What is mine to do? So that's like the niching of, like- Mm-hmm ... like, having, like, more clarity of, like, who or what you should be working with, and is this aligned for me? Like- Mm-hmm ... is it beneficial for me? Is it beneficial for them?
[00:33:07] Mm-hmm. And is this the right time? Right. So, so that kind of precision, like, a, like, that's part of the n- the nuance. Mm-hmm. That kind of precision you couldn't see before because of all, like, the conflicts of the terms and conditions. Yes. 'Cause then it gets into you. It get- Like, is this good for me? Mm-hmm.
[00:33:28] And then it kind of like you're holding back, like- Mm-hmm ... 'cause if it is an agreement, and it's- Mm ... like, energetically, spiritually beneficial, it is, it is the right time, and- Mm-hmm ... people have paid you money. Like, there's many different layers of that with give and take. Right. But even when a person pays us money, if it's not ours to speak to them, we cannot speak it.
[00:33:50] Right. Mm-hmm. Right. And that gets really complicated- Right ... because then you're, like, holding this, and- Yeah ... you know, I'm, I'm oftentimes i- in that space where sometimes I'm asked to not share something for quite a long time. Yes. And it's not like I'm withholding. It's like it's not the right time- For them
[00:34:09] for them. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So now I've, I've, I've refined the process, and I only take the people that I'm supposed to work with at, at this given time. Yes. And so even for you to come on the podcast, I have, I have a, an agreement with you. And it's beneficial for both of us to talk about this. Yes. And this is the right time.
[00:34:28] Great. And we updated... We, we, we had one date, and then we updated it again, and it still is the right time. Good. So, you know, it's like to be in right relationship with, like, the gates are open. You're ready for this. Mm-hmm. And I'm the person that is here to support this on your behalf. Yay. Yeah. Shepherd me through.
[00:34:48] Yes. So 'cause, you know, when we get into this kind of territory, if you've been doing it for as long as you've done it- Mm-hmm ... the gates don't just open like a garage door opener. No. And I, I... Even on my walk this morning, I was like, "I am so tired of the hamster wheel that I've been on." Yeah. Like, I am here for anything.
[00:35:09] Yeah. So here for the help. We're, we're here to go, we're here to go in. Mm-hmm. And so we're already in the process. Like, the things- Mm ... there's some things I can't say on the interwebs, so I'm happy to share with you after the, after the- Okay ... conversation. Love it. Um, so we're already in the process, um, the formal process that it...
[00:35:27] So it's not me. It's coming through me, and I speak it out loud. But I'm not the one- Okay ... who's doing anything. So just so there's no confusion for you or anyone who's listening. Okay. Um- This is not Amy. This is something- This is not... Yeah. This is, like, a bigger, a bigger, um, part of the campus of, of living, of life.
[00:35:44] Yeah. Like, you know, the universe that we can tap into. Mm-hmm. So we're in that, and then I ask them a question of, like, what is the process? Because it is like a legal agreement. Mm-hmm.
[00:36:01] So this one is quite gentle, which is... Like, there's different, like, categories. Mm-hmm. So this one is amending the agreement. And so you know about contracts in different parts of your work. Yeah. So we're just amending it. So- Okay ... sometimes it's, like, a termination of a contract- Mm-hmm ... which is a very different, like, situation.
[00:36:20] So this, this is gonna be, um, amended in perpetuity throughout- Okay ... all of your lifetimes. Awesome. And it's, um-
[00:36:33] Like past, present, future, future concurrent, and in the now. Um, and they do always have me say in the now, 'cause there's something about time and space and the quantum field and beyond the quantum field where the now is a s- specific experience. Mm-hmm. And it's ancient wisdom. You do understand that. Mm-hmm.
[00:36:53] You do understand that. Yeah. So for ... Y- we don't do video. We, we see each other on the video, but the listeners can't see that Ali is, like, smiling and nodding her head in deep agreement. Yes, I am. I'm letting you speak so I don't speak over you, but yes, I'm like ... It's everywhere. I'm nodding yes. Yeah.
[00:37:10] Full-body yes. Yes. You, you know about the now. Mm-hmm.
[00:37:19] You're, you're at this place of congruence and willingness and humility that that's part of what makes this very, very, like
[00:37:29] Much more in the flow. 'Cause they ask if I should say ease-filled. They're like, "That's not it, Amy." In the flow. So it's in the flow. Mm-hmm. And then there's like sub-processes And you're the first person I've ever worked with that it's, when it's only the third process. Okay. And so I, I can tell you the other two processes when I get off, but, but this one is, um, it's about transmutation and then revealing.
[00:37:59] Mm-hmm. And so that as this, as this, um, agreement is amended, you will be able to... Things will be revealed to you about you- Mm-hmm ... and through you. Mm-hmm. And, you know, we, we don't have to, like, do a past life review or anything like that, but, like, wherever things needed to be revealed to you as the ancient wisdom and those incarnations, they will be revealed in perpetuity in those places.
[00:38:27] Okay. And then likewise, because the ancient wisdom essence was like, "I'm gonna come solve this problem here, and I'm gonna come tell this person here," it's also gonna amend where possible where maybe it wasn't the right time to say those things or share those things. Like, like divine timing- Mm-hmm ... is a part of this one for you.
[00:38:48] Okay. So it's, like, honoring divine timing. Okay. Like, divine timing will be revealed and, like, um, the, the revelation of, like, how to understand give and take, like, in a profoundly human way. Mm-hmm. Um, especially when it comes to work. Yeah. And, like, your gifts. Okay. So that-
[00:39:19] When, when we have an agreement, when you- Mm ... when you're a provider, like even if this was at a company, we'll get to that in a second, but in a company- Yeah ... or with, um, a client, if it's a person or a group, checking to see if you have an agreement with them, like a life agreement. Mm-hmm. That's important because you're the provider.
[00:39:36] Right. You're the person offering a gift. Uh-huh. If it's getting work done or if it's wisdom or a combination of them. Yeah. Right. Like, it's solving the problem, like that is, that is something where in terms of the flow of energy- Uh-huh ... it should go from you to them. Okay. Um, if it's an unusual situation, they would also have one with you, so it's two, two ways.
[00:40:02] Okay. The place where... The place... The number one place you do not wanna work or take a client on is when you have no agreement with somebody. Okay. Okay. And then the second place you don't wanna do it is if they only have an agreement with you. Okay. Because then that means your gifts will not be kind of honored.
[00:40:19] Mm-hmm. And it won't be, it won't be equal. Okay. It will be confusing. Okay. Um, so I have a sense that you have been in a lot of places where, um, they actually had agreement with you and you did not have an agreement with them. Hmm. Okay. And, um, some of the things that we've talked about over time I'm getting a yes for.
[00:40:40] Mm-hmm. And you've also had very few places where there was no agreement, but you had a lot of also two-way agreements- Uh-huh ... that also complicated things. Okay. Like, that's also a complicated style of agreement- Okay ... when it's a give and take with work in the world. Um- Okay ... like the, the cleanest, the easiest is when it's just a one-way, the provider to- The client or the group
[00:41:06] the client. Okay. Yeah. That is the s- most simple way. Okay. Um, and so as this process integrates, you're gonna be able to see, "Oh, this one feels really good to me," or, "This one, I ha- I have an agreement, and maybe I fulfilled it just by doing the interview." Yes. So it c- it can be like agreements are not, like, there's not a specific, um, like, one-size-fits-all, like, time period.
[00:41:32] Mm-hmm. It's not always lifelong. And so, like, some of the things you did, like, where it was just one session with people, that was actually the agreement. Okay. So you're gonna have, like, a much finer-tooth comb of, like, what it is, and then- Mm ... overall, your niche is gonna be revealed to you. Okay. Yay. Yes. I'm excited.
[00:41:56] Um, so one of the elements that we've talked about recently that you were exploring, um- Mm ... with collaborating with someone. Yes. Like, of course you would use an ancient wisdom substance. Uh-huh. I'm keeping her a- I'm keeping her anonymity on here because- Yes ... first up might blow up, so I'm gonna- Yes ... I'm gonna keep it, um, keep it confidential.
[00:42:20] Um- Right ... but we'll just say it was, it was, it was, it was like saying you were gonna work with, um, one of the five elements. It wasn't the five elements, but, like- Mm-hmm ... let's just say that you're like, "I'm gonna do something with water." Mm-hmm. Like, of course you would choose something that was ancient wisdom, that carries ancient wisdom that can be translated in modern times.
[00:42:41] Right. So that one still is a huge... That's a huge opportunity, and it's very aligned. But it's- Okay ... gonna be more revealed to you of- Okay ... like, how, how to create it, how to distribute it, how to, um, market it- Okay ... after this agreement is amended. Okay. So- Okay ... that, that's important to notice. Um-
[00:43:12] Do you have questions before we continue? What would be an example of a two-way agreement, just so I am... I'm very cerebral- Yeah, that's... Of course ... for you to- A lot of people, a lot of people are listening aren't that way, too. Yeah. So, um- Yeah ... a two-way business agreement, I can share one that just happened to me.
[00:43:33] Okay. So this was a client that I met through a networking event. Mm-hmm. And I went and did the networking event, and then she was like, "Oh, I think I need your help." Mm-hmm. And so then we started, like, had a free call, and then we had a paid call. And on the paid call, at the end of the paid call, she was like, "Um, well, do you ever do group events?"
[00:43:50] And I thought she was asking me to come to one of my groups. You know- Mm-hmm ... I have groups. I have retreats. Yeah. I do all things. Great. And I was like, "Well, I don't have any groups open right now." And she was like, "Oh, no. I am, like, wanting to introduce you to people." I about... I was flabbergasted. Yeah. So then I checked, and I, I kind of was so sh- so, so shocked and dumbfounded.
[00:44:11] Mm-hmm. Of course, the first thing I did after, I was like, "Let me sit with that." Yeah. So after that conversation, I checked. She and I have a two-way agreement. Okay. So you helped her. She's helping you. I'm... So I'm helping her with the things I'm supposed to help her with, which is life agreements. Mm-hmm. I don't know everything that her life agreement contains for me, but one of them- Mm
[00:44:33] is about introducing me to people. Okay. So this is... These are... When you say agreements, they're life agreements that we've made with other people. Yes. Okay. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that would be unusual because in all of my, you know, 25-plus years of doing this, it- it's very rare for me to have a two-way agreement with somebody.
[00:44:53] Okay. Very, very rare. So the agreement is the one way. One way. Like, you to them. Mm-hmm. Like, the provider to the client. Got it. Um, but if there's an unusual s- situation, it's really good for you as carrying this, like, new right relationship with ancient wisdom to noodle on. Mm. Like, what is it? Like- What is their agreement?
[00:45:14] What is their agreement with me? Like, y- you can sometimes- Mm-hmm ... like, um, check in on it spiritually. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. You, you have the right to know and, like, is that beneficial for you right now? Okay. So this also will clarify, like- I don't really... You know, I know you somewhat, but I don't really hear, like, the ins and outs.
[00:45:38] But, like, this would be something for you or for listeners when there's complexity around work relationships. Mm-hmm. Some people wanna be friends, and you're like, "I'm solitary." Mm-hmm. Yeah. So some people just have a, a normal human need or wish to be friends. Mm-hmm. And you can check, do they have a a- agreement with you?
[00:45:57] And, and mostly it's no. Okay. So you do have, like, amazing vibes, amazing, amazing energy. And like- Yeah ... you know, like, people wanna, like, brush their shoulders off and get a little bit of that. Yeah. So... But you can really be dis- in discernment of, is this beneficial for me and for them for me to, you know, go for a run with them, or g- get a coffee with them, or, you know, the social parts.
[00:46:23] Okay. It will help you to kind of have a lot of, like, clarity and relief of, like, what is, what is most aligned for you and for them. Okay. That will, that will make it clearer. Okay. And you can even do it with collaborations. Like- Okay ... you can, you can kind of be really curious of, like... Like, we spoke about one person- Mm-hmm
[00:46:43] the one time that we met in person. Uh-huh. And I, I got a really big, um, nudge that, um, it is a two-way agreement with that man. Not, not romantic anything for anyone who's listening. Uh-huh. But he definitely has an agreement to help you. Okay. And you have an agreement to help him. Mm-hmm. And it's a very... He's a very networked person, for those of you listening.
[00:47:06] He's very connected. Yeah.
[00:47:12] It was really s- like, I, I wasn't checking. It just, like, was, like, kind of spoken to me. Like- Yeah ... this is gonna be mutually beneficial. And- I'm trying to remember who the man is. Um- We can talk about it after, but... The first initial is M, and the company starts with a G. Oh, got it. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yes, yes. We're speaking in code.
[00:47:31] Yes. Speaking in codes. I'm, uh, I- So- ... I'm here. I'm back. You're back. Y- yeah, we t- we, we, we dialed that in. So there's, um... That is a unique situation, not just because of who he is or where he works, but that it's a two-way. It's a two-way agreement. Yeah. Interesting. So he, he's not just open to helping you. He's open to your help.
[00:47:56] Okay. And that's what I got. Like, I got it, like, really, really big when we were talking about it in person, um, that you would really help many different things that he is needing help on, that he doesn't know how he can get the help. Okay. Like- Okay ... in his personal life and his professional life, you have, now we can call it the ancient wisdom - Yeah
[00:48:19] and right-sized. Yeah. Um, that you could be really helping him. Okay. And I think because of the nature of how big he is in this life- Mm-hmm ... you were like, "Do I really have anything to help him with? Like, does he really wanna help me?" Yeah. Yeah. Totally. So, so this will give... You'll have, like, as this process integrates for you, you're gonna have clarity around is this the right time for you to re- like, approach him.
[00:48:45] Mm-hmm. Like, you'll get discernment of, like, oh, this is, this is the way I want to reconnect with him, or this is the way, like, I sense that I could help him with these things. Like- Mm-hmm ... you're gonna get an, uh, iterative process of- Okay ... when, when and, when and how is the right time for you. Okay. So- Cool
[00:49:07] that's coming through. And around, around your job search, I, I can do a little asking right now. I have- Oh, please. Yeah, if you're game. 'Cause I, I would love it. So you just tell me, um... 'Cause there's two jobs, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, so you can... You, you don't have to tell me the names, but you just- Mm ... make sure you have in your system, like, company A, and make it really clear.
[00:49:30] So don't conflate them. Mm. Okay. Because I don't know their names. Okay. So company A, it could be, like, the first interview you have. Like, whatever, whatever makes it easiest. Like, make sure you know A and then B, so they're different. Okay. Got it. Okay. So company A- Mm-hmm
[00:49:53] You don't have, you don't have an agreement with them. Mm-hmm. I feel that. I bet you could. Mm-hmm. And, and on the surface they, like, really wanna, like, interview you and, like- Yeah ... you're fantastic to them. But this is like, this clarifies it. It's like if you went there- Mm-hmm ... it would be not ideal for you.
[00:50:10] Yeah. It would be complicated and sticky. Yeah. Yeah. I actually before this call almost emailed them and was like, "Okay, I'm withdrawing." Yeah. But I was like- Yeah ... "Let me just sit for a minute." Like, we don't need to rush. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. So company B. Mm-hmm. You do have a life agreement with them. It's beneficial to interview, and then it's gonna be your choice.
[00:50:39] Okay. And so now we'll talk about the integration. So when we update one of these life agreements, everybody has different integration periods. Mm-hmm. And I have an integration meditation I, I have that will help, so it's free- Okay ... on Inside Time or Out, and, um, I'll have it in the show notes for those who are listening.
[00:50:59] Um, but integration happens on these different layers, and different people have different ways of integrating depending on what we're working on. Like, sometimes I see people for somatic work still, and it's a somatic integration. Mm-hmm. For this one, um, we'll first check on time
[00:51:19] You're, you're gonna integrate this one very quickly. Okay. 'Cause some people who are doing these work with me, it's three phases, it's like eight months. Mm-hmm. Yours is three days. Okay. Um, and so during these three days- The recommendation is that you, um, listen to this meditation each day. You can fall asleep to it.
[00:51:40] You don't have to be seated. Um, but it's gonna fine-tune, like, what parts of you or your field need help with integrating this. Um-
[00:51:56] And then, um, you have been doing a lot of work with the land you live on. Mm-hmm. And so the re- the recommendation is that you spend time every day with the flowers you've planted. I have been ... Oh my God, I'm gonna cry, 'cause I've been doing that, and my daughter has been ... She's like, "I just wanna be outside with the plants."
[00:52:13] So we literally have been, like, tending to the garden every day. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, cool. So you can, you can ask, um, can you t- can you tend to me and grow this new way forward for me that I can know my purpose? Okay. They're, they're, they're here for it, and the tree is here for it. Um- Mm ... and we won't speak of the indigenous wisdom keepers on your land, 'cause we're keeping, um, anonymity.
[00:52:36] Mm-hmm. But the indigenous wisdom keepers of your land also wanna help. Okay. And then, um, you're gonna have a guides update from this. So your guides will become, like, both more robust and more nuanced. Um- Okay ... and not surprisingly, before this process, you refused to have a guide that understood being human.
[00:53:02] Yeah. That's true. So that's one of the ... One of the ... That's one of the things I check for, is like, there's so many b- benevolent and wonderful angels and guides, but many of them don't understand what it, what it means to be human 'cause they n- they never were human. Mm-hmm. Um, and so now you will have- Free guides that understand what it means to be human.
[00:53:21] And so you can make sure you get, get their names and, like, help me to, um, really hone and refine my purpose and, like, give me clarity- Mm-hmm ... about after I do the job interview, like, help me to know, like, what will benefit me m- most be- beneficial now that I am, um, in right relationship with wisdom and, like, give and take.
[00:53:43] Mm-hmm. They will be very, very helpful. Okay. Yeah. They will be- Sweet ... super helpful. Oh, so cool. Uh, yeah. Um-
[00:53:54] There's no... Well, there's one last recommendation, like, um You also live by water. I do. And I'm not gonna get to what water it is, but, um, this is like, um, an unusual one. Um, but they want you to go near the water, and you and your kids can sing to the water. Okay. And it's like an offering of- Okay
[00:54:27] Like, like re-bringing or reintroducing ancient wisdom that's right sized wh- where people can follow through Okay Because people have not followed through around this water. No. Yeah. So it's that, um Like honoring the ancient wisdom of the water and honoring the ancient wisdom that you bring and that your kids bring, um, and that other people bring.
[00:54:52] But also, um, and that anc- that, um, indigenous wisdom keepers bring to this water, and asking for, like, the r- like the righting of the field, like that it's made whole. Mm-hmm. That people will follow through in human ways that actually, um Like protect and ensure the aliveness of the water. Okay. Your kids will understand that.
[00:55:17] They will. Get the download really... They'll get the download very quickly. Um- They will. They usually are like, "What are we doing?" And then they're like, then I feel like they already know, but they're always like, they're still kids. Yeah, they're still kids. And they're, they're, they're becoming tweens, so they're like, "Why are you so weird sometimes?"
[00:55:33] Yes. They're like, "Um, you signed up for this," and I... You, you guys did sign up for this together. Yes. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I believe it. Yeah. Is there anything else, Ally?
[00:55:50] Not top of mind There was something. It left. Okay. It left the mind. It, it, it will ... It will come back. Um- Probably on purpose ... when you, when you do the integration meditations, there's time and space to, like, pause them if you, if you do happen to stay awake. Um, and you will get guidance about, like, other things.
[00:56:13] So- Mm-hmm ... the meditation is flexible enough that what your guidance system is willing to share with you and what you're willing to hear and, like, receive. Mm. Like, it's not always words. Mm-hmm. But the, like, the downloads, the hits. Mm-hmm. It will be different every day that you do it. Is it okay to ... I, I run- Yeah
[00:56:35] and walk every day, and my runs often are my meditation. Is that okay to listen to it then? Or should I be more still? So they w- they would like stillness on this one. You can, you can, you can meditate and run still. You don't have to, like- Mm-hmm ... change that part. But, like- Mm-hmm ... um, for many people, it is, like, um, a request is, like, silent and still or- Mm-hmm
[00:56:58] silent and, like, walking where you can pause. So it's, like, not- Mm ... not a dual purpose of, like, exercise- Mm-hmm ... or health and meditation for this one. Okay. Got it. Got it. So it can be, like, a gentle wal- walking meditation that you can, like, pause and, like, get all the downs that you want. But if it's, like, walking for exercise- Mm-hmm
[00:57:15] and you are like, "I'm gonna get my 30 minutes in," they're like- Mm ... "We need, we need another time." No, my walks are usually very dillydally style. Yeah. That, that one- That, that's okay then. That's, that's perfect. Um, yeah. And what about for the guides? I, I'm so intrigued by these three new folks- ... that are gonna be joining me.
[00:57:39] Yeah. How do you ask? Do you just simply ask for names? I've never been able to get names before. Oh, okay. Okay. And, and a lot of people ... Um, that's, that's true for a lot of people. So, um, some people can ask, and some people are ... like, can hear things, and some people see things, and some people notice things. So, um- Yeah
[00:57:59] you know. And also as ancient wisdom, you're like, "I don't need anyone else's advice, yo." Yeah. So I think that they've been there, but really, like, you really couldn't hear them either. So- Mm-hmm ... I'm checking to see if the first recommendation is that you listen on your own. No, I, I'm allowed to, I'm allowed to help.
[00:58:15] So- Okay ... um, so I'm just gonna ask a couple questions of, like, how I ask. Mm-hmm. I have the right to know, so I ... That's the first question I ask. Do I have the right to know? Mm-hmm. Because sometimes the answer is no, Ally's infinite wisdom wants to figure out on her own, and that's ... I have to respect that. So I can't just, like, peekaboo, go behind the curtain, because I can't.
[00:58:35] I'm ... I don't ever do that. Um-
[00:58:40] So you have one of your guides is indigenous. Mm-hmm. And, um, it's indigenous to the current land you're on. Okay. And I don't know much about the current land you're on 'cause I'm not from that part of the United States. Mm-hmm. Um, but you ... It is a woman. I can see her. Mm-hmm. Um, and she's a water bearer. Okay.
[00:59:00] Um, and so when you go to the water, she might introduce herself. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's the first one. Okay. Um, and, and sometimes they're really ... The guides are really funny with me. They're like, "Don't even try and pronounce my name, Amy. You're gonna butcher it." Ha ha. Yeah. They give it to me really straight.
[00:59:17] Yeah. Um, so I, I have another, I have another client who's on Lenape land, and that's in the Northeast. And, um, I could hear her trying to t- to tell me, but there was no way I could enunciate it. Mm. So then, um, I spelled it out to the client, and the client was like, "Oh, she told me just don't worry about it.
[00:59:37] Just don't try it, Amy." She, she even told the client, "Don't a- don't try it, Amy." That's funny. So, um, so she will reveal herself, or she ... or she'll give you, you know, a symbol or a way that you can call on her. Okay. In a way that is respectful to her and that works for both of you. Um-
[00:59:59] So the second one is an ascended master
[01:00:07] And this is, this is for... I'm not here to tell anybody what to believe, uh, but this is from like a, um, world, worldview Uh-huh ... your second guide is Jesus. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And so, um, Jesus is here to help you understand, like, give and take in a human way because he did it as a- Mm-hmm ... person that sacrificed everything.
[01:00:32] Mm-hmm. And so he- And so- ... doesn't want you to stay. He doesn't want you to sacrifice. Mm-hmm. You, you, you, you, you're done with sacrificing. Mm-hmm. When you were, you were saying that's so interesting. It's just so interesting 'cause my, um, my whole family is very Christian, and I have never felt connected to it.
[01:00:54] Um, I've always felt like there's something bigger going on, but I... And when I've explained... My kids and I are obviously very open to conversations about ancient wisdom. And at... Just the other day I was like, "Well, Jesus was real. Like, he was a real person. He's not, like, this fake person that we all talk about.
[01:01:17] He's a real person." And I was, like, very adamant about it. You know. You know. Yeah. You know. Yeah. So, um, you will... Like, and, and sometimes in some, um, you know- People get all kinds of information- Mm-hmm ... and it's not Christ, Christ consciousness. I mean, when I say Jesus- Exactly ... it's Jesus. Yes. Yeah. So, so that's, like, for those listening, it's like Jesus who walked on earth and who sacrificed himself.
[01:01:50] That's- Real human. Yes ... real human. That's who you're gonna be- Okay ... making some connections with. Cool. The third one
[01:02:04] It's a Greek god. Mm-hmm. I asked Goddess, they said no. Um, oh, it's Chronos. Chronos. Yeah. That was really quick. Um, and so Chronos is about sacred time, divine timing. Mm-hmm. And Chronos is gonna help you with, like, making decisions about when to launch your adventure with your- Mm-hmm ... thing that you're exploring right now.
[01:02:33] Mm-hmm. And then, um, like, he's showing me, like, the, the, like, in- interchange of, like, kind of like Mission Impossible of, like, when Tom Cruise, like, moves things across. Like- Yes ... Chronos is like, "You might be in this job for this period, but then I'm gonna bring this in, and it's gon-..." Like, he's showing me the weaving of time.
[01:02:54] Okay. And the weaving of timing. Um-
[01:03:01] Yeah, you're the first person I've ever met with that guide. Okay. Yeah Who would've- I'm like, sometimes guide ... Not every guide is like ... I'm not, like, looking for guides. Like, they tell me- Yeah ... that they're here for you. Um, and so these are the three- So excited ... three guides that understand being human. Okay.
[01:03:16] And I don't know enough about Chronos. Mm-hmm. Um, but I, I, um, I have some people in my clients here that know a lot about Greece and Greek gods, and some of the Greek gods also incarnated, and then they became gods. Okay. So I don't know Chronos's- We'll be reading up. I don't know Chronos's story, but, um- Mm-hmm
[01:03:40] Chronos is like there's some, some truth, there's some truth in what you read and some not truth, so. Okay. Good to know. Um, yeah. Just hearing. Mm-hmm. Those are your, those are your three guides for now, and guides can always be updated. Okay. Like, sometimes guides come for a period of like, "Let me, let me guide you on these things," and then you evolve, and they're like, "I've, I've completed with you."
[01:03:59] So it's not like... It's agreements with them, too. Okay. So I had a, I had a Japanese, um, guide for a really long time. Mm-hmm. And then when I ended my marriage with my- Mm-hmm ... ex-husband, who's Japanese- Mm-hmm ... um, we completed. Yeah. She gave me a gift. They were there to help you. Yeah. She, she com- she gave me a gift, and then, uh, another guide emerged.
[01:04:26] Mm-hmm. And, um, she still is there as a c- as a consultant for me as I need at times. Uh-huh. But she's not, she's not a main- So they don't go away. They just kind of set, take a step. Some, some go, some, some go away. Okay. Some, some are like, "We're complete." Okay. And then other ones are like, "You can call me anytime you need."
[01:04:45] Okay. And there are some, some people beings, um, you know, angels that are willing to be consultants but not guides. So it's like, it's just like a, you know, a company. Like- Yeah ... there's on-staff people, and then there's consultants, and there's the executive board, and we have those kind of systems with guidance.
[01:05:05] Okay. So, so you, you, um, you will have a familiarity because you have been through so many lifetimes. Mm-hmm. Of like, just like kind of like how you were telling kids, like, "No, no. Jesus was a human. He was a real person." Like, you gave it to them straight. Yeah. And you really know. Yeah. And, um, it's different than what your family knows about religion.
[01:05:28] And- Yeah, I feel that. I feel like it's... there's a skewed perception of... I mean, everybody has the right to believe what they wanna believe. We won't get into all that obviously, but, um, it's just always felt misrepresented, or he has felt misrepresented to me. So I have the wisdom of working with many, um...
[01:05:50] like the humbleness of working with many, uh, theologians and from many different wisdom traditions and, um, I work with many experts and many strong believers of Christianity, and when Christianity is in its wholeness, it's not the confused version. Yes. So, so it's like it's not Christianity itself that's problematic.
[01:06:09] It's how humans have distorted things. Yeah. So- Yes, for sure ... as, as someone who carries a lot of ancient wisdom, you, you get it. Yes, I do. So it's like, you know, there's an opportunity for wholeness in many things. Mm-hmm. And, um, you having more direct contact with human guides will give you more wholeness for you.
[01:06:32] Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Is there anything else? I, no, I don't think I have any other questions. I mean, I'm sure I can think of questions, and we could be here all day 'cause I love talking to you No, I feel really good. Well, thank you so much for being willing to come on the podcast and for your transparency and, um, your directness.
[01:07:00] And for those of you who've stayed with us for this conversation and this process, um, I really invite you to sit with your own agreements, the things that seem to never shift, and really get curious. Um, you know, is this something that is your own AMA? And if it is your own AMA, we- it's very unusual that we can undo it ourself because that's how we kind of got into the pickle that we're in.
[01:07:23] So if you would like help, I encourage you to email me, amy@amybavish.com, and we can explore, um, your process. Sometimes it's a one-time process, sometimes it's multiple times, and sometimes it's even more compli- co- complicated. Um, but we can kind of get an estimate at the beginning and also take it one step at a time.
[01:07:46] So I'm sending so many blessings from the Doeg Land that I s- I, I steward outside of Washington, DC, and until we meet again, uh, thank you, thank you, thank you. Thanks, Amy. It was a pleasure.
[01:07:59] Thank you so much for tuning in and journeying with my guest and me today. If our episode spoke to you and you're ready to explore your own process with me or processes with me, you can email me, amy@amybabish.com. I wish you well in the big life you came to live, and until you tune in again, sending blessings from the Doeg land I steward outside of Washington, DC